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Bus Discussion => Bus Topics ( click here for quick start! ) => Topic started by: Larry Payne on January 12, 2021, 10:08:07 AM
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was wondering if anyone has any info on what it takes to up grade a MCI M9 from a 6v92t to a L10 Cummins, or should I stay with a Detroit 6v92T, I got the Bus at a good price but it has a bad engine, was thinking it would be better to up grade to a newer diesel, let me know thank you
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Get out your tape measure.
6 in a line vs 3 in a line, front to back.
Bunch of stuff, engine mounts, all new plumbing, driveshaft, compatible interface with transmission, dashboard gauges interface.
Lots of fun, or lots of headaches, depending on what you want to be doing with your time.
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
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have you done this before, I'm just trying to make the bus a little more power and was told that that transmission would bolt right up, but things I'm worry about is the cooling system cause of the two radiators, I know the L10 Cummins is a very good engine, and the Detroit 6v92T is a good engine to but it's a two stork, just wondering if there was anyone who has done this and if there was any parts made for a job like this, thanks
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There's a lot of history of posts on this board where people did swaps and people contemplated swaps, press the 'Search' link next to 'Forum Rules' and then try different terms like "replace cummins". That is probably the best way to start on your project.
I'm pretty sure there aren't any pre-made solutions, you would have to fabricate all the new parts yourself.
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Okay what diesel engine is the easiest engine to use to replace the Detroit 6v92 I would like to stain on electrical not hoping to use a Cummins but if there's better choices than easier fits I'd like to know what people think and what they've used
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Someone else has to chime in.
This post is in the wrong category. I'm not sure if the moderators can move it or you should re post.
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what can i say. There are going to be no premade parts for you. You will have to make everything yourself, likely including motor mounts. likely and inline 6 will be too long for comfort. BCM used to have a mci for sale that had 40" hacked on the back to make the cummins fit. was not pretty. In my eagle i was able to stuff in a s60 and b500 but my pulley is 1/2" from my back bumper. And i have a lot of tools which made it relatively easy for me.
also check out my project thread which has some details
https://eagles-international.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4786&sid=59db96fd674b790a03d6a1a2af68a194
i think s50s are popular in mcis but all your interface is going to be made from scratch
dont forget wiring on an electronic engine
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If you want a lot of miserable problems to solve, go ahead and switch, but if your means are modest your best solution is to find a good take-out 6V92 and do a straight replacement. Paying someone to overhaul or put in something newer will be very expensive and likely more than what you paid for the coach.
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And if you want power, the 6V92 can be built to factory specs at 350 HP.
By far the most straightforward way to proceed?
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
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thanks all here is another question, I found 1989 102c3 with new 6v92t with 28000 mile, is that an electric or mechanical engine and will it work in my 1982 MCI M9 even if it was electric
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This bus is already converted? If so your only realistic choice is to R&R the engine. But is that what you want? It could be time to step back and reconsider.
In a bus conversion these days it may be best to determine the preferred drivetrain first and buy accordingly.
Jim
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no it's not converted yet
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Well that opens some options. Since you said you got an excellent deal on it then presumably you can get your money back either by reselling or scrapping it, so that allows you to consider getting a bus with a 4 stroke as a starting point. There are many reasons to do this which we can get into but the target years for MCI should be about '94 to '98. That should get you the DDEC 3/4 series 60 and the B500 automatic, and should come with some nice handy extras. Right now is a good time to buy.
Jim
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The MCI M9 is a motorhome and has been since new MCI 102c3 is just an shell some one was gonna convert but gave up on, but has a new motor and low mileage transmission
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Okay what diesel engine is the easiest engine to use to replace the Detroit 6v92 I would like to stain on electrical not hoping to use a Cummins but if there's better choices than easier fits I'd like to know what people think and what they've used
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I have an L10 but it is only rated at 275 horse if I remember correctly. I could look it up but I don't have the paperwork here. It was installed by Gary from B&B coachworks. He had several of them back then but that was years ago. He does not check this board but Van does and he may know if Gary still has them about. If I remember correctly the configuration of the ones he had worked the best because they came out of city buses. I have R&R'd mine one time to take the transmission to Harbor Diesel to have it gone through. I can not tell you what it took to do the change over because I did not do that part. I would call Gary or PM Van to see what B&B has about in L10s and what they are worth before making any commitment to a two stroke. My L10 is solid as a rock. If you do decide to go this way PM me and I will tell give you a heads up on some things to do and I have a written detailed list of the removal and reinstall however as mentioned it is from after the changeover.
HTH
Melbo
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I have an L10 but it is only rated at 275 horse if I remember correctly. I could look it up but I don't have the paperwork here. It was installed by Gary from B&B coachworks. He had several of them back then but that was years ago. He does not check this board but Van does and he may know if Gary still has them about. If I remember correctly the configuration of the ones he had worked the best because they came out of city buses. I have R&R'd mine one time to take the transmission to Harbor Diesel to have it gone through. I can not tell you what it took to do the change over because I did not do that part. I would call Gary or PM Van to see what B&B has about in L10s and what they are worth before making any commitment to a two stroke. My L10 is solid as a rock. If you do decide to go this way PM me and I will tell give you a heads up on some things to do and I have a written detailed list of the removal and reinstall however as mentioned it is from after the changeover.
HTH
Melbo
Mel. Gary might still have papers, even on yours. Best to give him a call. Number is below in the signature ;) ;)
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Van,
Thanks for the note BUT I have the build sheet and all the paperwork for my engine and transmission in a folder in the bus. I don't need to go look it up for me BUT if someone else wants the information I would be happy to get it for them. Gary and Dan did a great job for me too bad that Dan is no longer here. I was just offering information for Larry because my L10 has been so reliable. As Clifford has noted the L10 is not a race engine but even here in the mountains it is rock solid. I have even been over Tennessee pass in Colorado moving slow but sure up and taking my time going down. I get about 5 to 7,000 miles a year on it and as Clifford also noted it does not burn oil but does leak some. I am happy with it and have had it for over 10 years. If we head west sometime I will see if we can connect. Take care Van.
Melbo
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If he is just looking for power the 8V92 TA fits into the MCI with only a cradle and piping change he can be in the 450 to 475 hp range fairly easy
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Thanks for all the info I think the best thing for me right now is to put another 6v92t back in. I worked on 6v92t in the Army I know there good engines and I can do all the service as well. Since this is my first Bus better keep expenses down, and not get in over my head, got a good price on replacement engine, so thanks for all your responses