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Title: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: rydrman on September 18, 2013, 03:44:28 PM
Hey Folks,

First post in the forums here.

I'm looking at an 1984 MCI-9 and am looking for some opinions on it:

1984 MCI MC9
-Detroit Diesel 8V-71
-Allison Automatic (4 speed)
-Driver & Passenger
-Driver and Passenger A/C
-Rear Mounted Restroom

http://www.nwbus.com/products/product_view.cgi?id_number=861120868564 (http://www.nwbus.com/products/product_view.cgi?id_number=861120868564)

It has just come out of service with ~700,000 miles. The seller is asking $8,800 but I's only pay up to 6.8k for it (preferably 5k or 6k).

I haven't seen it yet but I'm going out to take a look on Monday.

Any thoughts on the bus or things I should look for when I go down to see it?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: tekebird on September 18, 2013, 04:09:24 PM
it is a former Denver RTD commuter bus.  Expect corrosion.  I would not even bother going to look at it, there is a lot on the market right now that is in your price range.

Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: rydrman on September 18, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
Is corrosion the only worry? The video shows it in pretty good condition and I figured it'd be worth checking out. Where would I look to see the worst corrosion on a bus like this? I've been looking for quite a while now without much luck for my price range...
Title: Another Remote Possibility?
Post by: HB of CJ on September 18, 2013, 04:54:04 PM
Have you remotely consider the Crown Supercoach ex school bus?  West coast school districts, particularly in Southern California, are still placing out of service good condition Crowns.  The last batch I have seen at auction went for under $4000.00.  A few were just placed out of service and still have some time on the demanding CHP (Ca highway patrol) school bus inspection record. Smog laws are demanding their early replacement.

Frankly, they are a challenging  Bus Conversion candidate.  Not much room under the floor.  Admidships pancake Detroit 671T or a Cummins 855 inch NTC.  Trannies vary from Fuller T905 or 1105 M 5 speed manuals to 10 speed Fuller RT-RTO 910 or 11510 road rangers or Allision 640 or 740 type 4 speed electronic autos.  Huge air brakes with usual leaf suspensions.  Lengths range from 2 axle 35-37 footers to 3 axle 40 ft 10 wheelers.

Just a thought.  Lots of sites on the net where you can learn more about Crowns.  I loved mine.  HB of CJ (old coot) Crowns forever. :)
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: rydrman on September 18, 2013, 05:09:42 PM
I have actually thought about that but there's a couple of problems.

The first being that I don't want to drive a bus from Cali to Ontario, Seattle is about my limit for distance...

The main issue, though, is that NOBODY in Ontario will insure a Skoolie conversion. I've asked around and pretty much every insurance company will refuse you. On a rare occasion you might get a yes but only if you're willing to pay upwards of $5k / year in insurance... it's pretty ridiculous...

Thanks for the tip though, I'd absolutely love an old crown if I could pull it off!
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: opus on September 18, 2013, 05:38:52 PM
You can get insurance easy on a skoolie.  However, its just liability and its like $245 a year for me I think.
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Hobie on September 18, 2013, 06:02:50 PM
Slight threadjack,... but I used to drive Crowns in a school district.  +1 to everthing HB says.  Plus, great ride.

  Heck, I've even thought of picking one up with a screemin' Jimmy in it just to drive around on Sundays and listen to the mill!!!!!   Gotta be a manual though...   If I only had room to park it.  ... 
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Nick Badame Refrig/ACC on September 18, 2013, 06:51:33 PM
Is corrosion the only worry? The video shows it in pretty good condition and I figured it'd be worth checking out. Where would I look to see the worst corrosion on a bus like this? I've been looking for quite a while now without much luck for my price range...

Hi Rydrman,

Look for corrosion at the front bulkheads of the baggage compartments, rear baggage compartments,
and the front air bag towers. The towers would be the most critical to worry about..
Look very close at the structural supports around the engine, trans & the drive axel too.

Good Luck
Nick-
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Timkar on September 18, 2013, 08:00:15 PM
FYI...Pretty sure you cannot import a Crown into Canada unless it is pre-1971.
HTH...Tim
Title: Re:
Post by: Scott & Heather on September 19, 2013, 03:07:47 AM
Ryderman, we own that exact coach model and year. I love our bus....a lot. But only recommendation I would make is be sure it's not rusty. The only place major rust can exist (since it's mostly aluminum and stainless) is on the rear around and under the engine and compartment as well as the mild steel skeleton and ribbing. Please take some photos of the engine compartment in decent lighting as well as some photos of the luggage bays inside. Post them and we can help you out. Just the color of the engine paint will tell us a story.


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Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Tikvah on September 19, 2013, 04:30:50 AM
I love this forum, I really, really do.  I sincerely believe that every contributor has good intentions and usually good advise.  However, when you ask "what do you think of this bus, or this year, or this engine?" You will get all the opinions as diverse as the group itself.  No matter what you are looking at, the price is too high, you can buy it all day long someplace else for half that (yet, I never found that deal).  You will be looking at the wrong engine, you are considering the wrong brand, and the wrong year.   Yet, that MCI-9 must be one of the most popular buses on the forum.

Take the collective advise, go look as best you can, and if possible, take a bus nut with you.  If its not too much rust, if the engine is strong with little smoke, if the price feels right, then jump in - you're officially a bus nut!

But keep in mind, the moment the money leaves your hands, there will be a shinny red Eagle, with a brand new Cat engine with low miles, only driven to church by a little ole lady, for half the money you just spent.

Have fun, take your time, learn all you can, then jump in....no matter what you get, this group will support your project in more ways than you can imagine!

Good luck
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Jon on September 19, 2013, 05:13:02 AM
Total the purchase price of the seated coach, then add in everything it will take to convert it. No matter how much you add in for parts double that because on any project it is the small stuff that really adds up. Then total your numbers.

My guess is if you (and everyone on here) are honest the number will be $50,000 and up. Really. Unless you are intending to have just an aluminum tent with a motor. Not making fun, but recognizing that even a bare minimum conversion is going to have a generator, batteries, shower, cabinets, flooring, lights, heat, air conditioning, at least one inverter, plumbing, holding tanks, TVs, microwave, stove, sinks, bed, furniture, etc.

With that budget amount in mind, start a search for a professionally built conversion. There are many internet sources, ranging from Craigs list to ebay to various RV sales sites. You WILL find a low mileage, professional conversion in good usable condition for that amount of money. No matter how small the total is. Then you can use your creative side and mechanical skills to alter that coach to more suit your needs, but you will be starting with the least abused coach and one with all your needs already in place, just waiting for you to upgrade it while you are using it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Prevost-Tour-Bus-NO-RESERVE-/251337756406?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item3a84e5cef6#ht_798wt_1165 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Prevost-Tour-Bus-NO-RESERVE-/251337756406?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item3a84e5cef6#ht_798wt_1165)
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: bevans6 on September 19, 2013, 05:36:09 AM
I think that with Ryan in Ottawa, Ontario, and the bus in Seattle, the cost of going to look at it starts to become a significant portion of the investment.  Getting it home to Ottawa will add another $2K in fuel to the cost.  It's doable, but man...  Since it's a seated bus, Ryan will need an Ontario B or C class license with a Z (air brake) endorsement to drive it.  I know that Aviva insures converted buses in Ontario very reasonably (I was paying around $550 for my MC-5C when I lived in Ontario) but I have no idea what they would say about a seated bus that was going to be a motorhome but wasn't converted yet.  A RIVA inspection station (Canadian Tire has the contract) will need to inspect the modified bus as a seated bus to approve the importation into Canada but the dealer's website says they can assist with importation, which is a very good thing.  The modifications are quite simple - a speedometer that reads in KPH (a GPS unit leaps to mind, my bus has a KPH speedo from a five speed MC-9) and an odometer that measures in kilometers (I have a hub-meter that reads in kilometers).  Then you get a sticker with all the weight info in Kg.

As people have said, rust is the MCI killer.  The framework behind the front facade below the windshields, the dash if the windshields have leaked, the air beams where the air springs mount and the frame work above the air beams.  The engine cradle is mostly stainless steel but some parts are mild steel, the framework above the engine, the radiator and blower bay, the luggage bay framing is mostly stainless but odd bits are mild steel.  The floor of the luggage bay is aluminium.  If the windows leaked the mild steel framing above the belt line (floor of the interior of the bus and up) will rust, if there was condensation the fiberglass insulation will trap it and cause rusting inside the walls and roof of the bus (again mild steel framing that the aluminium skins are riveted to.  

8V71 is probably the lower power option for that bus, automatic trans is nice.  At 700K miles it probably either has a fairly fresh rebuild or desperately needs an out-of-frame rebuild, given average engine lifecycles.

My first question would actually be - is there a kind and knowledgeable soul in Seattle who could go do an appraisal/survey of this bus for me?  As noted, for all the risks it might be a great bus and MCI's are wonderful conversions!

Brian

Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: chuckd on September 19, 2013, 07:39:53 AM
In the Minneapolis craigslist list there is a 1980 MCI fully converted with the usual 50k on the engine.  They want all of $14,900 for it, looks nice, would not wate much time converting for that price.

Chuck
1979 Prevost
Stillwater Mn
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: lvmci on September 19, 2013, 08:06:33 AM
Hi ryderman, look at the latches for the bay doors, especially in front of the rear wheels, also open the areas behind the radiators looking for rust, also tires (read the dot date), hoses and especially airbags not holding up, these are all immediate repairs, with all the good deals out there rust and rubber replacement would dictate a very low price, a few good deals on craigslists in LV & LA right now, lvmci...
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: bevans6 on September 19, 2013, 08:13:13 AM
Don't forget that according to the rules (I know there are stories of people who didn't get caught by the rules, but more stories of people who did) a bus later than 1972 must be in stock original condition to be imported to Canada.  You aren't supposed to be able to import converted buses.  Talking to a broker might help.

Brian
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Tikvah on September 19, 2013, 08:14:30 AM
In the Minneapolis craigslist list there is a 1980 MCI fully converted with the usual 50k on the engine.  They want all of $14,900 for it, looks nice, would not wate much time converting for that price.

Chuck
1979 Prevost
Stillwater Mn

Here's the link to that bus Chuck...

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/rvs/4075931190.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/rvs/4075931190.html)
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: luvrbus on September 19, 2013, 08:17:16 AM
The Prevost on E bay Jon posted is a good example what happens with 30 years + old buses that guy should have walked away from that bus now he is just trying to recoup some cash he spent 19,000 grand for a engine in a 7500 dollar bus it makes no sense that one will never reach the starting bid much less the buy it now price  

15 years ago converting a used bus was about the only option if one wanted a bus conversion because of conversion prices it's not that way NOW cash is king    
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: rydrman on September 19, 2013, 08:45:05 AM
Thanks folks,

I should mention that I am living in Vancouver until December so a visit to Seattle is actually really convenient right now (which is part of the reason I'm looking at this coach). I do have my commercial ACZ license in Ontario so no issues there either.

Some of the conversions ads being posted look like a steal, but the conversion project is one of the parts I'm most looking forward to.

Maybe if I give a little more detail about my self it'll help the conversation...

I'm a 21 year old university student who has been crazy about buses since I knew what they were. Got my CDL the minute I turned 18 and started driving trucks part-time hoping to weasel my way behind the seat of a passenger coach. Right now I'm looking for a cheap coach that I can do a bare-bones conversion on over the next few years. I imagine that once I have a real career I'll sink some more money into a better bus for a higher quality conversion.

Right now I just want to find a bus that is structurally and mechanically sound and won't require any MAJOR repairs or maintenance over the next few 5-10 years.

The advice about corrosion is going to be super useful when I go to see it. Being from Ontario I've seen too many friends sink cash into a rust bucket only to have it fall apart at the seams later on.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: B_K on September 19, 2013, 08:47:32 AM
Once again Clifford is 100% DEAD ON THE $!

However if you must build your own bus I believe you can find a better base in that price range these days!

If it were me I'd take a good hard look @ the FREE 4104 listed here the other day!
http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=26443.0 (http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=26443.0)

Shoot you could have it towed and rebuilt and on the road cheaper and faster than the MC9! (and it's already converted, and titled in CANADA!)

Id you insist on mooving forward with this bus I'd highly recommend you contact Mark Obtinario from WA state. He is a knowledgeable bus nut/driver/salesman (from another dealer, but he's honest and very willing to help other busnuts!) He is a member here and @ BNO and frequents BNO's page on facebook more than anything these days (I think)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/141126842574707/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/141126842574707/)
;D  BK  ;D
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: akroyaleagle on September 19, 2013, 09:35:28 AM

I believe you might do better. Here's one example.



http://www.venture-motor.com/vehicledetails.aspx?VID=195062541 (http://www.venture-motor.com/vehicledetails.aspx?VID=195062541)
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Eagle Andy on September 19, 2013, 10:18:12 AM
I have a 68 Eagle worth looking at 40,000 takes it home
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: rydrman on September 19, 2013, 10:41:08 AM
Just want to re-iterate that I'm not interested in buying an already converted coach
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: John316 on September 19, 2013, 10:50:33 AM
Just want to re-iterate that I'm not interested in buying an already converted coach


Rydr,

I hear you on that, but IMHO, you should really reconsider. If you have 40K to put into a conversion, by all means do it yourself. However, if you buy a converted bus, you start with a lot more from the getgo. That doesn't mean you can't remodel it to your heart's content. However, you will need to buy tanks no matter what. You will have to buy a genset no matter what. You will have to buy an inverter, and the list goes on. Why not let somebody else buy those things, you cash in on it?

Again, you do it your way, but trust me. I have been in your shoes, and know what it is like. Take you best guess as to how much the conversion will cost, and then double that. Add about .75-1.00 per mile for fuel and maintenance, and you will be getting close. I really think, in the long run, you will be able to stretch your money farther with a pre-converted bus.

FWIW...Take that and $4.50, and you will be able to buy yourself a latte.

John
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: luvrbus on September 19, 2013, 11:24:34 AM
He won't have trouble finding a bus some of the people that sell buses and read this board are lining up to take his money then in a couple of years a gutted out bus will be for sale you guys gave him good advice what he does with it is up to him he sorta reminds me of my 21 year old grandson ::)
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: sledhead on September 19, 2013, 01:56:18 PM
We have all done what you want to do (some 2 or 3 times ) but that was then and this is now . You can always strip out an already done conversion down to the bones but at least you will have the parts to rebuild with . The reason the bus is for sale is it is warn out . Things that will need to be fixed  

1 tires    2 brakes   3 air bags    4 shocks   this is just the small stuff to make it drivable . next comes the big things eng. rebuild $ 10,000 to $20,000 if you do it at home and not on the road

This is some of the things I had to do and my bus  was only 15 years old when I started . The money I have in it now is way over 100 k . At this point it is a hobby because there is no way I could sell it for any thing close to that. The idea of the converted coach is that most of them that are 4 sale have already done this so all we are saying is if I could do it again I would start with 1 that has already been done and for me I would rip it down to the bones when I had the time and redo the way I wanted it . But for now all the big money has been spent by the old owner and is road ready so you could start using it while you do your own remodeling plans .

     dave      
                                                              
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Scott & Heather on September 19, 2013, 05:31:36 PM
We bought our coach for $7,000 cash as a seated coach. 1984 MCI 9 with a blue reman detroit in it (6v92 Turbo) and some new rubber. It had passed state inspection and was ready to go. $35,000 later we're still not completely done with it. So get a coach as CHEAP as possible (as long as the important stuff is good and solid, engine, tires, etc.) because the purchase price is nothing compared to the cost of converting it. But it's a fun process... I highly recommend self converting.
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: B_K on September 19, 2013, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: Scott Bennett
So get a coach as CHEAP as possible (as long as the important stuff is good and solid, engine, tires, etc.) because the purchase price is nothing compared to the cost of converting it. But it's a fun process... I highly recommend self converting.

And OF COURSE THAT's nowhere close to what the costs are gonna be when it lays down somewhere unexpectedly either!
;D  BK  ;D
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Eagle Andy on September 19, 2013, 07:26:34 PM
When  we bought our Eagle it was done ready to run down the highway and thats what we did. When I got home and winter had passed i really started looking at it hard. now like a said it was a nice bus, however most of the plumbing was old and dated so i change that, the carpet was old so we changed that so on and so on.
After 6 years of owning  the bus I have changed alot of things and spent a good chunk of change and time getting her they way we want it. and there is still things we want to change. we do our own work with the help of this board and the Eagle board. We are lucky we found a good bus with little to no rust good drive train and skin and paint. if I did it again I would do it the same. We enjoy our bus and only have to work on the things that we want to change. we don't have boat loads of money so we pay as we go. like most of the bus crazy poeple we know.
So all said and done do what best works for you and yours  Good luck as Cliffords say's and have fun
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: RJ on September 19, 2013, 09:52:58 PM
Just want to re-iterate that I'm not interested in buying an already converted coach
Here's a candidate, if you don't mind driving a stick shift.  Engine has roughly 125 - 150 HP more than the MCI you posted about - better for climbing Rocky Top.  Partial conversion started, Canadian coach so re-importation might not be too much of a hassle.  Fairly reasonable price, tires alone will set you back $3K-$4K.  The Marathon was Prevost's version of the MC-9, without the cooling issues - an important consideration with the 92 series engine.  Birdcage chassis, fixing rust is like fixing an Eagle.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/rvs/4078011287.html (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/rvs/4078011287.html)

FWIW & HTH. . .

 ;)
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Timkar on September 19, 2013, 10:02:28 PM
Rydrman..This link is to an Eagle that I know is for sale in Vancouver if you're interested
I haven't seen it for a few years, but it was a pretty nice seated coach when I saw it.

http://www.911filmcars.com/bus_eagle.html# (http://www.911filmcars.com/bus_eagle.html#)

I am in BC and traded an 89 MC9 with a rebuilt 6V92T for an old freightliner worth about $6K a couple of months ago,
also just had a friend haul an 87 MCI 102-A2 to the scrapper as he couldn't
find a buyer. They are out there, just got to keep looking.....
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Sam 4106 on September 20, 2013, 05:42:32 AM
We converted our first bus ourselves and bought our third bus already converted. If I were looking for another bus it would be an already converted one. It is a huge time and money commitment to convert a bus. And, unless you already have the tools and skills to do plumbing, carpentry, cabinetmaking, electrical, flooring and other jobs, you are better off buying an already converted bus. Like Andy, we have changed the interior to better meet our tastes, and have spent a lot to do it, but far less than starting from scratch. Buy the bus that has the drivetrain that you want, engine, transmission, differential ratio, power steering, and is in good mechanical condition. You can spend a lot just bringing a neglected bus up to good, safe running condition. That's my opinion based on my experience.

Good luck, Sam
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: chessie4905 on September 20, 2013, 06:29:16 AM
   Sam, you have it correct. Unfortunately, almost everyone starting out goes for a low price on a shell, and then spends a small fortune bring it up to snuff, even before converting it. I think that is why we lose so many early enthusiasts.
   Buying one already done makes life simpler; you can use and enjoy it right away, don't have the hassle of changing the title to a motor home, don't have as much a hassle with insurance, less hassle having it sitting on your property with local authorities and neighbors in many cases, easier to sell than a partially converted shell in most cases, and possibly easier to borrow money on to purchase, if that is necessary. You'll still have plenty of work to keep you busy with normal chassis maintenance/repairs and changing parts of coach to better serve your lifestyle/desires.
   Prices on used conversions are still fantastic with today's fuel prices and older owners retiring from motor coaching, due to age, death or health issues.


 
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Ed Hackenbruch on September 20, 2013, 06:36:17 AM
Just to give you an idea of some of the costs involved, 10 years ago when we bought our already converted bus we updated the furniture, got 6 new windows, added 2 solar panels, a new inverter, day/nite shades,  4 new tires, 2 tv's, and a rear view camera. By the time we got thru we had spent close to $17,000. Could have done it cheaper by buying second hand stuff, but we already had second hand stuff and wanted new. :)  Just really glad that the rest of the bus was done and in good shape and ready to go.....hate to think what it would have cost to build it all from scratch. Since you are young and want to build your own, go for it.  Just don't be surprised when you see how much money you spent doing it.!
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Ed Hackenbruch on September 20, 2013, 06:42:52 AM
Even after we did the main stuff, i am still adding/changing stuff to the bus. Little things, but they still add up dollar wise.
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: Boomer on September 20, 2013, 01:17:18 PM
Sorry, Tekebird but that is not a Denver bus.  That is an ex-Holland America Grayline out of Seattle.  And it may have been also used in their division in Alaska, namely Skagway for a good bit of it's life.  If so, while in AK it only saw use 6 months per year.  Grayline Seattle/Alaska maintained their coaches extremely well as evidenced by the pictures.  That said, due diligence on the running gear is in order.  You could get the VIN and call Jerry in the Grayline shop in Seattle and get the low down on it.  Be careful with NW Bus Sales.  There would be way below average rust in that coach, I know their operation and how the buses were cared for. The little you saw in the bay latch points was surface rust, that's one of the places you look first.  No salt out here, like they use in the midwest and east.  Doubt you would find a 9 with better history, JMHO.

Mark in the NW
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 20, 2013, 02:57:21 PM
Thought I would check in and increase my nuisance value.  Have not commented in awhile.  (Still ignored by seven, five more and I will have an entire set, I dunno what the rest of ya are gonna do?)

So here I am, adjusting the nuts on my Rottweiler, and I cannot remember for the life of me, “was I twisting the right nut with the left hand, or turning the left nut with the right hand?” and then he turned around and he bit me!

Might have been the humidity, I dunno.

Which naturally led me to my thoughts on whether or not one should buy a bus in this day and age?  Which is okay, because it took my mind off the solar flare deal and the end of the world scenario people seem to be obsessed with these days.

With talk about the potential (though unlikely) event of a large solar flare directly hitting Earth, some high-tech engineering types are discussing the merits of using homemade Faraday cages to protect electronics and power-generating equipment and vehicle computers.  Can you imagine how big it would have to be to shield your bus, parked under the tree, next to the house, under the old Elm that has stood in that chosen spot for some many years?

We are talking ... B-I-G.


So if you are gonna buy a bus, make sure you have a suitable tree nearby.  Which is by far, the cheapest place, to store a bus.  Rather than a place in the garage with a large, galvanized steel container that's large enough to park a car in after the container has been lined with insulation and add a conductive layer around the car.

I'm thinking it would be more practical to just buy a spare car and maintain it, albeit one that does not have any electronic controls. I'm thinking a carbureted vehicle built before the '80s would do the trick. The question I have is:  “Would a car with a carburetor built prior to 1980 continue to run (assuming that it can run OK prior to this potential event) after Earth has been hit with a large solar flare, similar to the Carrington Event of 1859, which was strong enough to cause electrical shocks to telegraph operators? Also, what would be a suggested vehicle to keep for such an event?”  

My bus, locked down in the shop, should be safe.  It has very little in the way of electronic elements, it is thirty-one years old, kinda like my boxer shorts, and my last set of dentures. 

Old, well worn, reliable, but safe.

Well, we (most of the old geezers that stumble thru the halls of this board) all remember what chaos the world was cast into after the 1859 Carrington Event, don’t we?  Life, as we knew it, was extinguished. I mean, try finding a telegraph operator today! Where are they? You think it's a coincidence that you can't find a telegraph operator anymore?  But I digress, here is my “my thought on buying a bus?”  

Try this one.

(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss263/boxcarokie/fuel_zps7bfb7f3b.jpg) (http://s582.photobucket.com/user/boxcarokie/media/fuel_zps7bfb7f3b.jpg.html)

And of course:  Does anybody really read these comments?

BCO
The real thang ... Except no substitutes.  
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: luvrbus on September 20, 2013, 03:15:48 PM
Yep Don then 7 or 800 miles down the road it starts over unless you have one one of the super buses that get 15 MPG ::) you just hope no major problems accrue between fuel stops
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: akroyaleagle on September 20, 2013, 04:09:18 PM
Don,

Are you taking your meds?

Good to see you stirring again!
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 20, 2013, 06:31:05 PM
Yep Don then 7 or 800 miles down the road it starts over unless you have one one of the super buses that get 15 MPG ::) you just hope no major problems accrue between fuel stops

Yeppers, so true Clifford.  Most of the time we observe a "half-tank" rule and fill up with 75-80 gallons.  We hold the norm 150 gallons and a 65 gallon reserve and the beast usually hits between 800-900 on the miles. 

14mpg!  7 in town and 7 on the road.

Hammer Down ...  Hammer Down ...

BCO-CTA
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: boxcarOkie on September 20, 2013, 06:39:47 PM
Don,

Are you taking your meds?

Good to see you stirring again!

Yes, I am not only taking my med’s, I am mixing them too! 

Yee-haw, hand me that ratchet Honey I am really feeling like Mr. Goodwrench today!  Now that I am on permanent outpatient status and the electric bill has been paid ... Everything is just ..... uh, rosy. 

Which means, life is good, and having no reason for complaint works well.  We could for instance, surely fill a room with people who did not make this far in life, with or without a bus. 

People will say things change, but that is a ruse, as things are much too often, about the same.  At other times, I find myself just getting by and doing my level best to hold my own in an ever changing world not of my making. 

Have found one interesting wrinkle tho, here lately I find myself checking the bathroom mirror early in the morning and that can be a sobering experience. I am standing there and I am wondering, “Why is Willard Scott staring back at me, it is not my birthday!”

Have to go .... Time for Dr. Phil.

BCO-CTA
Title: Re: Looking at a bus, Thoughts?
Post by: akroyaleagle on September 21, 2013, 09:23:30 AM
Good to hear you are doing better!

I avoid mirrors. I don't like the art work in them.

I just ask Frankie "Did you shave your legs for this"?