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Online luvrbus

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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2009, 09:41:46 AM »
Why do guys use that setup my buddy that has a DDEC 6-71 runs his fan from 4 belts, the fan is mounted on pillar block bearing with a fan clutch the belt drive from the engine goes to a shaft and 2 pillar blocks with another pulley and belts then back to the fan.
He saw the hook up on another 4104 and liked it 
Looks pretty easy to me.



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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2009, 09:43:16 AM »
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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2009, 10:14:19 AM »
Only Dallas would call a 4104 "new-fangled" ;D
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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2009, 10:27:33 AM »
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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2009, 11:33:33 AM »
sorry luvrbus its hard to understand your post. I think i understand what you mean but could you post some pics? That would be great, Thanks-Josh
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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2009, 03:50:56 PM »
The '04 doesn't really lack power, it does fine with 235 hp. It was never designed to
run down the road at high speed.  With injectors we have and the rear end gearing, we
roll at 65 mph, which in California is 10 mph over the speed limit while towing.  We rather
enjoy the view while climbing a mountain grade at 25 mph, you can see details you don't
even notice at 55 or 60.  No a problem, though I imagine it is uncommon, there is a battery
cable that runs from the start batteries to the front bulk head of the compartment that housed
the pony engine for the air conditioning when they were so equipped.  On our coach some one had
covered the cable stud and it was not identifiable as to its purpose.  I stored the tripod for our
satellite antenna on top of our generator.  The vibration of travel moved the tripod over against
the stud, wore through the covering and shorted the start batteries and shut the bus down while
were were some distance from home.  I disconnected the batteries and checked inside for the
possibility of fire, there was some inside the wall.  Fortunately, I opened bathroom cabinet, saw where
the smoke was coming from [there is an opening above where the cable entered the wall].  I used a
Pepsi to put out the fire. A friend brought us cable and terminals and we made repairs and 2977 is
hale and hearty one again.  The moral is: Check everything and be very careful when storing things
in somewhat unfamiliar territory. 
Blessing,
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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2009, 01:06:11 AM »
Nobody mentioned this?  I must be mistaken but I will say it anyway:  The 4104 has a muffler "behind" the engine and up close to the floor.  It is stood on end and the top surface collects water and dirt.  That muffler rusts through and lets exhaust gasses vent straight up.  the interior wood floor is above the muffler.  4104 often die in flames started by a bad muffler.  So there, I displayed my ignorance again....I dunno.  If I am not mistaken and he didn't check and it burned down I would feel a lot worse than "stupid".

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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2009, 08:16:36 AM »



   The biggest problem I have with m 04 is it wants to go. It sits up behind the house calling.  Lets go lets go all day long, Just have trouble with the boss lately,  after the last trip.

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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2009, 08:24:17 AM »



   The biggest problem I have with m 04 is it wants to go. It sits up behind the house calling.  Lets go lets go all day long, Just have trouble with the boss lately,  after the last trip.

uncle ned

Uncle Ned speaking of last trip. How are you doing? I been meaning to call and check on you, but I know I-40 is closed thru the gorge, (something abouta souped up 4104 vibrating the moutains as it went thru! LOL! ;D)

 so I didn't know if the phone would still work thru there! :D
;D  BK  ;D
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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2009, 08:54:18 AM »
Hey thanks guys. There is alot of good information and i will check it all. Thank you for the replies.
Joshua Chapin
PD-4104-3946
Salem,OR

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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2009, 02:27:48 PM »
The original 4104 muffler doe have a raised flange on the end which traps junk and makes it rust out.

I solved this problem by getting smaller smooth end mufflers from JCW and welding on the necessary fittings.

Being smaller makes them much easier to install and the cost was less than half the original poorly designed ones.

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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2009, 05:08:45 PM »
John ed.

I have three 4104,s and have owned one of them for over 25 years. I have met 50 plus 04 owners never ever have I heard of any rear fires? Please fill me in on what you know?

John

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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2009, 05:37:43 PM »
Just a personal observation, but the biggest issue I have seen that 4104's all have is the steering wheel nut.  Not the one that holds it on but the one that holds on to it. ;D :D






Come to think of it, I've observed this issue on MCI's and Eagles too.  Prevost's steering wheels I have seen were not being held on to but i observed sign language that I was #1.  :D
« Last Edit: November 30, 2009, 11:18:38 AM by NewbeeMC9 »
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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2009, 05:40:41 PM »


Most of the steering wheel nuts came from hanging around with senic- cruiser nuts.

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Re: Common problems on 4104
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2009, 05:46:21 PM »
Most of the steering wheel nuts came from hanging around with senic- cruiser nuts.
ned

Uncle Ned,
you still haven't answered my question! Don't make me call Wilma, and you know I got the #! ;D
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