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Successful Trip
« on: July 04, 2010, 08:21:06 AM »
First of all, happy Fourth

Well, we made it home from our 8 state, 45 day, 2900 mile trip.  Bus did well with only a couple of hiccups that were not show stoppers.  Lost a couple of air control lines to the fan and that gave us on over temp water situation and what appeared to be a drive-line problem (talk about panic).  Problem caused by some exhaust wrap that came off.

Some of you follow our blog/travelogue.  I posted quite a bit of details there today (and in several other posts for this trip).  Today's post is at:  http://rvsafetyman.blogspot.com/2010/07/hello-from-evergreen-co.html

Jim
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Re: Successful Trip
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2010, 09:58:38 AM »
Glad you are home safe Jim.  It is always nice to hear when bus nuts have a relatively uneventful trip.  Because they are so much more interesting we tend to only post the "exciting" trips.  I imagine there are many many more safe routine trips that never make it on the board just because they were so uneventful. 

I would hate for lurkers/new members to think that our  hobby/lifestyle/addiction is only fraught with breakdowns and heartache. 

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Re: Successful Trip
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2010, 10:02:40 AM »
We have many days where the most exciting thing we do is sign a credit card slip for a very big number and pour a gallon of oil into the sump.  Fortunately most travel days don't have anything worthy of a post.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2010, 10:18:56 AM »
It sounds like you had a good trip compared to the trips last summer.

Why does your cooling fan require air to operate?  Does it have an air operated clutch?
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2010, 11:14:32 AM »
Brian, our fan does indeed have an air operated clutch.   The Series 60 should control that fan, but it needs to be on most of the time.  I wired it to a switch on the dash, so I can turn it off when we hit a road that is dirt, or pull of the highway onto a loose dirt road.

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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2010, 07:54:40 PM »
Jim glad to hear of a great trip!

I must admit that I finally had a good week with minor or non-event issues too! ;)

Ahh, life is getting back to normal. (What ever that is!)
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2010, 09:07:03 PM »
Jim, For once a post that is uneventful! ;D

Glad all is well and you enjoyed your trip.
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2010, 07:27:19 AM »
Jim,
    Glad to hear this trip was soooo much better then last years. Post like this are great for lurkers and wannbes.  When all they see are the post about major problems, I think it makes them hesitant to jump into this hobby.  Jack
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2010, 08:10:51 AM »

Don't you love the bus Jim!  Glad to here it. 




We had a no problem bus trip to Hunting Island. SC for a week.   Had a few interested people and possible busnut converts. :)
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2010, 08:22:02 AM »
Ok sucessful trip...how much of a improvement in mileage and power..I'm looking at simular set up...did you hit 8mpg?To visiting bus nuts 99 plus percent of my trips are uneventful..much better than my Sticks and staples friends...
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2010, 07:32:47 PM »
Awesome Jim!  I was very pleased to see you post a success in the trip department!  I bet you feel much better about your upcoming travels as well now. 

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2010, 07:20:01 AM »
Bob, we did not hit 8 MPG except on a couple of legs.  We are about 46K pounds going down the road (service truck is about 9600).  I need to do a bit of looking at my SilverLeaf information.  With the first Series 60 the fuel used as shown on the computer (use an odometer as my fuel gauge) was always very close to the fill amount (sometimes a couple of gallons more, sometimes less).  With this engine, it appears that the "fuel used" is actually low and that makes my mileage looks better (about 7.6 to 7.9).  Have not had a chance to review the fill slips and compare them to the computer data.  If the SilverLeaf data is off, it is a simple thing to put calibration correction in.

This engine seems to be quite a bit stronger that the previous engine.  On the Pro-Link readings, the first engine "peak torque" value was 1450 while this one reads 1650.  I would say that the seat-of-the-pants feel suggests those numbers are real.  The first engine performance was probably compromised by the problems it was having.  But this engine feels pretty strong.

On the hills in IL/MO/KS (some pretty significant climbs) the cruise control would hold the speed (trans dropped a gear on some of the longer steeper hills).  I had to kill the cruise control a couple of times to keep the air inlet temperature from getting out of control.  On the same hills with the first engine the speed would drop 2-4 MPH (even with the gear change).

That power is fun, but it can get you into trouble.  For example, on the big hills, I am sure I could get better mileage by controlling the throttle manually and watching the SilverLeaf data.  The real issue was some really terrible wind conditions we hit the last two days.  The wind was mostly cross, but enough headwind to be an issue.  With the big power, you can go about any speed you want in these winds, but you really pay the price in fuel.  My normal cruise speed is 68 (was the sweet spot on the first engine), but I finally slowed down to 64 and that helped.  Right now that is a catch 22 for me, since that slows my charge air cooler fan down and then I fight that problem.  BTW, I getting a handle on that problem, but that will be the subject of another thread another day.

Brian and others, I still have panic attacks when I first start driving for the day.  If something happens to this engine, I am dead in the water.  After an hour or two of driving and watching all the gauges I talk myself into calming down and enjoying the drive.  It will take some time to build up the confidence with the "new" engine and quit being so gun shy.

Jim
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Re: Successful Trip
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2010, 08:42:16 AM »
Jim thanks for info I should be around 40,000 with toad...getting 5 with 8v92 now would be great to get 7 1/2 to 8.. feeling better about my selection all the time..thanks again   Bob
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2010, 01:40:18 PM »
Bob, in another thread, Clifford raised the subject of cost per mile of operation.  He made a dig ;D at MY cost per mile (lost the first Series 60).  Even with the second engine I am probably about even with the cost of a full blown DD rebuild of the 6V92.  With our weight, the 6V92 would be miserable.  What I have factored into my thinking is over 50K miles at about 30% fuel savings.  I think I calculated that has amounted to about $4K.

It is really nice to have the power I need and hopefully reliability (something about lightening striking in the same place twice :o)

Jim
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Re: Successful Trip
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2010, 01:59:12 PM »
I did that for Sonnie he to busy to dig at you but I can make a 8v92 give the same torque and get the same fuel mileage (7.5) as you guys 60 series but I will throw the towel in on Hal's and Cole's 60 series over 600 hp and 2000# of torque getting 7 to 8 mph can't touch that



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