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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #240 on: March 17, 2014, 03:37:40 PM »
The headlight/taillight conversion on the Duluth 04 was probably done while in revenue service with GH or alike. GH did the same conversion to several Scenics as well.

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #241 on: March 17, 2014, 07:00:16 PM »
Thanks Tom,

I did not know that.

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #242 on: March 18, 2014, 09:47:24 PM »
The Duluth bus is 1954 4104-1070 Greyhound Heritage owner wants $5k or best offer.

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #243 on: March 18, 2014, 11:36:01 PM »
Hey

Did I give you 3148? Fred Rayman looked at it a few weeks ago in Guthrie, OK (North of OKC)

An old converted band bus.

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #244 on: March 19, 2014, 12:01:57 AM »
Tom,

Nope, but we got it now.  Thanks. This one makes 3 for this week so far.

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #245 on: March 22, 2014, 08:06:05 PM »
On a field trip today with my notes, so here is an update:

Converted coaches 205
Noted on web.            33
Scrapped.                    55  I know this number is much higher.
Still a bus/shell.         21

For the number crunchers in the group:

1953 GM made 773 - 4104's,   at least 33 survive
1954 GM made 527 buses, at least 11 survive
1955 GM made 265 buses, at least 13 survive
1956 GM made 400 buses, at least 21 survive
1957 GM made 1105 buses, at least 43 survive
1958 GM made  796 buses,  at least 32 survive
1959 GM made  489 buses, at least 31 survive
1960 GM made.  711 buses, at least 42 survive


I wrote an article for BCM on this search.  Watch for it.

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #246 on: April 09, 2014, 10:36:48 AM »
I am the proud new owner of GMC PD 4104-3617 conversion. Located Citrus Springs, FL. Will post photos soon. Would appreciate any tips on history, and locating rubber parts (hinges, window seals, air line, etc.).
Best regards, Samuel

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #247 on: April 09, 2014, 03:28:08 PM »
Currently of the 21, do you know many are still seated coaches, and how many are shells? Thanks

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #248 on: April 09, 2014, 04:13:32 PM »
1958 PD 4104--3617 Originally sold to Oklahoma Transportation Company.

Luke at  US Coach in New Jersey is a new parts source. 888/262-2434.

Send me your email, mine is jusle@aol.com and I will send you some 4104 related links.

Tom,

Will check my notes and let you know what I got.

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #249 on: April 10, 2014, 12:13:49 AM »
Tom,

Here is what my notes say:

25 coaches in the still a bus file.

3 are shells at last owner contact.

That leaves 22 buses seated.

Of those 22, there are at least 5 in South America.
My contacts in Latin America say there may be more in Central America. Dont have any contacts there yet.


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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #250 on: April 10, 2014, 05:57:51 PM »
So 17 seated 4104s in USA so far. Any of those in Canada? That is not many for sure. I have about 25 seated Scenics on my list. Sad news for 4104s, as there were 6 times as many 04s made than 4501s. Maybe your numbers will increase with time. I find in most years I get only about 2-3 new 4501 serial numbers (over the 15 years that I have been counting). That probably does not begin to keep pace with the number that are scrapped every year. I just heard about another Scenic that was scrapped recently somewhere in AZ. (only sketchy details so far) I'm sure at some point I will stop getting any new numbers added.

Keep up the good work.  Take care

Tom
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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #251 on: April 15, 2014, 09:36:57 PM »
PD4104-2375 shell, doing conversion. First sold to southwest G.H.

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #252 on: April 16, 2014, 12:10:51 AM »
Dave,

What's your city and state?  Send me an email    jusle@aol. Com and I will send you some 4104 related links.

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #253 on: April 16, 2014, 01:37:41 AM »
There,s a 4501 in the yard of a bus company on hwy 50 in Clermont, FL. The next time I go that way I'll try to get its number in case it's not on your list. I believe it is essentially a historical display.

Best regards, Samuel

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Re: Tracking Down PD 4104's Still Around or on the road
« Reply #254 on: April 17, 2014, 12:32:48 AM »
Sounds like PD4501-932 at ABC Bus (near Lake Apopka, FL) I believe that is HWY 50. Bus is painted in Faribo Lines livery from Faribault, MN (1970s charter livery) Sound right?

Thanks for the info.

Take care

Tom
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