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Offline travlinman

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4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« on: October 28, 2012, 12:07:43 PM »
Hey Guys

Thought I would start a new thread as I have more questions. So, I've got the starter wiring disconnected and have tested the top two nuts. Those I can break loose, it is the bottom one that is giving me grief. I cannot get a wrench (15/16) or a socket (15/16 12 point) on the bolt. Is there a tool that would work better. Check out the photo......the clearance on the bottom is especially tight.

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TM
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Offline sledhead

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2012, 12:12:01 PM »
As a last resort you can use a hammer and a chisel and replace the nut with new.works every time if you can get to it       dave
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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2012, 12:34:29 PM »
Hard  to tell from the picture but maybe you can grind the outer part of a socket to clear. for sure there are 06 folks with your answer. If something is tight it can take a impact if you will to break it loose. If you can get a hammer and chisel in there  that will work. sometimes after i get a ridge with the chisel i will switch to a good punch and try and get some movement. Good luck
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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2012, 12:50:16 PM »
 He should be able to get a 15/16 box end on that one that is why they make a "C" starter wrench 

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2012, 02:08:21 PM »
 Use a "crows foot" on the end of a ratchet & extension,, works every time.>>>Dan
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Offline eagle19952

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2012, 04:12:23 PM »
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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2012, 06:00:54 PM »
Awesome suggestions everyone, Thanks!

Right now I am in search of the elusive 15/16 crowfoot here in the eastern sierra. I'll be burning up the cell phone trying to find one tomorrow, I had no luck on friday trying to find one. We got it to move today with a socket, which is good, but now it is in a hopeless posisition to get the socket or a box end wrench on. Hopefully the "works every time" Happens for me. I'll save the chisel method for the last try.

Also, looks like I need to learn more about those bolts.

Eagle - I take it that they would replace the studs?

The adventure continues!

TM

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Offline B_K

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2012, 06:08:13 PM »
Awesome suggestions everyone, Thanks!

Right now I am in search of the elusive 15/16 crowfoot here in the eastern sierra. I'll be burning up the cell phone trying to find one tomorrow, I had no luck on friday trying to find one. We got it to move today with a socket, which is good, but now it is in a hopeless posisition to get the socket or a box end wrench on. Hopefully the "works every time" Happens for me. I'll save the chisel method for the last try.

Also, looks like I need to learn more about those bolts.

Eagle - I take it that they would replace the studs?


The adventure continues!

TM

Should be able to get that crows foot at NAPA or any other self respecting parts house. I was looking for a (yup you guessed it) a while back and ended up buying 2 sets from NAPA a small size set and a large size set. And guess what? I now have 2 15/16 size crowsfeet as both sets had one!

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2012, 06:16:09 PM »
Keep the studs they help, most starters just have the flange 12 point on the top a 5/8 head withlout the studs the gasket would be a problem staying in place during install fwiw plus they guide that heavy sucker in place 


Always keep the easy bolt to remove in place till you remove the other 2  

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2012, 06:35:11 PM »
I would probably try a 3/8 drive 15/16 socket, short 12 point with a 2 inch extension with a long handle 3/8th flex head ratchet.
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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2012, 06:59:25 PM »
BK - Napa is the only good parts place here in Bishop and the have to order the 15/16 in. Nice big wall of tools but not the one I need. We were in there Friday and were told it would not be in till Tuesday so I thought I would try everything else first. I am motivated to get that thing on the ground!

Clifford - For now I will be keeping the studs, I have enough projects looming! Plus I can see how it would be a help to have a guide for install and removal.

Chessie - That set up is what moved the bolt about a 1/4 turn today. Then the socket spit off and there is no getting it back on! The edge of the nut is right against the engine.

TM
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Offline eagle19952

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2012, 07:19:08 PM »
i would move the stud...or learn to enjoy your dillema.that nut is not going to be any easier to tighten...unless you can roll the starter.

or get two longer 5/8 bolts and cut the heads off,grind a bit of taper on them and you have temporary guide studs.they will hold the gasket too.
i probably have had 25lbs of guide studs/bolts....JMW...Just my way.
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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2012, 07:24:01 PM »
PS

Eagle - I take it that they would replace the studs?

No just the one with the non christian nut...the one i am sure you have named.
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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2012, 07:29:22 PM »
I have never had a problem removing that bolt with a 15/16 12 point socket and a long extension so I can work thru the opening in the bulkhead.   I have removed mine two times including just two months ago.   I use a 1/2 inch drive and a long ratchet.

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2012, 07:32:21 PM »
I guess being on the side of the road without the right tools it would be tough but that is one of the easier to remove on that starter for me anyway
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