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Offline travlinman

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2013, 09:43:12 PM »
The last project I tackled this winter turned out to be simple in the end. Well with a few items that I don't carry in the bus that is!

I cut down and trimmed a 15/16 wrench and that pesky nut came right off.

Here are a couple of pics for those that may face the same problem in the future.

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Offline Barn Owl

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2013, 02:05:13 AM »
My experience from a few years ago:

Original post: 4106 starter swap; not all that bad

Reading about 4106 starter swaps is like listening to women swap birthing horror stories. Each one has to one up the other and scare the devil out of those who haven’t done it.

This is how I did mine:

1.   I securely chocked the wheels and blocked the bus up.
2.   I unhooked the batteries.
3.   Through the top access hole from the inside I removed the back top mounting nut. (The one closest to the engine block)
4.   Crawling under the bus I sat up in the hole that is located ahead of the engine bulkhead.
5.   Through the bulkhead cutout I removed the four bolts holding the engine breather on and placed the breather aside. Be sure to stuff a rag in the hole where the breather was on the side of the block.
6.   I removed all of the wires to the solenoid and the starter.
7.   I removed the bottom nut using a 15/16 boxed wrench cut down to an 8” length. (You could use a 15/16 socket if you have a wobble adapter)
8.   I then removed the last top nut and slid the starter out onto my lap. (Be careful it is heavy, but not unmanageable)
9.   Make sure the new starter is a 12v left hand starter. Check the starter mount to ensure it is the correct one. There are at least three types and the one you will need is the most uncommon. If you have your old one rebuilt it won’t be an issue, but I kept my old starter to use as a spare.
10.   If you have an automatic tranny you will need a gasket for the starter mount to bell-housing face.
11.   Installation is just reversing the above procedure.

Even though the rebuilt starter’s mount looked identical to the one removed, there was enough variation in the casting that I couldn’t get my wrench on the bottom mounting nut. I used a socket and managed to get enough bite to tighten it. If I had a wobble adapter I think it wouldn’t be an issue. You could also grind the mount in that area (it’s plenty thick) to give your wrench clearance room, if you remember to do it before you mount it.

My original starter solenoid was bad and that is the reason for the swap. I wasn’t charged a core charge, so I am keeping the starter motor as a spare. I found that even some of the big starter rebuilders don’t stock enough of the parts to rebuild a LH starter in one day, so having the spare will be nice. The solenoids are very common and inexpensive, so I don’t feel a need to keep one of those on hand.

Conclusion: It’s not as bad as people make it out to be. Unless you are physically not strong enough, this is a DIY job.
 
I hope this might help the owner of a future 4106 starter swap..
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Offline TedsBUSted

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2013, 02:54:56 PM »
Nice step-by-step, Barn Owl.


I'll add that most sockets wouldn't clear, but a Mac Tools  socket  would often allow straight-on access to 15/16" starter flange hardware. The Mac brand had a thin wall and a "step" to boot, which gave clearance.
Tool designs are in constant change, so maybe today's Mac doesn't fit. Also, maybe now another manufacturer builds a similar thin socket? So it's FWIW.

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« Last Edit: April 24, 2013, 03:44:20 PM by TedsBUSted »
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Offline luvrbus

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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2013, 03:11:10 PM »
Still a lot easier to toss the 6 point nuts and replace those with the 12 point flange nuts for a buck each JMO then any 12 point socket will work
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Re: 4106 Starter Bolt Removal
« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2013, 03:39:40 PM »
Oh absolutely, go 12-point if possible.
"Ferry Screw" is another name for 12-point, for anyone who needs to hunt for them.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2013, 03:43:33 PM by TedsBUSted »
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