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Offline Len Silva

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4104 engine upgrades
« on: November 27, 2006, 06:05:47 PM »
My 4104 has the two valve head and single exhaust.  Is there any significant improvement in performance with the four valve head and/or dual exhaust.

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Offline Lee Bradley

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Re: 4104 engine upgrades
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2006, 06:14:40 PM »
Four valve and newer style barrels are big improvements.

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Re: 4104 engine upgrades
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2006, 09:13:33 PM »
 There is not much difference in hp or torque at all..not worth the money and time involved unless you already need an inframe...On the only bus I have done it on it went from 155 rwhp old and wore out I thought to 168 rwhp rebuilt .new liners pistons ,4 valve head,dual exhaust..etc..factory specs show about the same 2 valve vs 4 valve,more for reliability than power..gg04
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Re: 4104 engine upgrades
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2006, 12:04:47 AM »
The 2 valve head actually has better lugging power than the 4 valve head-although the 4 valve head breathes better at higher rpm, so it can put out more horsepower.  If your engine is running alright and you're satisfied with the performance, I'd leave well enough alone.  If when you do overhaul it, I would rebuild it to turbo specs with an air to air intercooler.  Then the black smoke at high altitudes would be eliminated.  Good Luck, TomC
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Re: 4104 engine upgrades
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2006, 12:44:59 AM »
Thanks guys,

That's what I wanted to learn.

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Re: 4104 engine upgrades
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2006, 02:05:18 AM »
My 4104 has the two valve head and single exhaust.  Is there any significant improvement in performance with the four valve head and/or dual exhaust.

Thanks,

Len

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Re: 4104 engine upgrades
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2006, 02:26:57 AM »
IF overhaul time go to crosshead pistons turbo valves in a 4valve head,dry air filters,N65 brown tag inj 5and1half inch intake,dw/ls gov. I have 4.11 gears ,24.5 tires engine rpm at 2375 ,I run with the v8s all day long and have for 9years             
 Just a Maine point of view good luck chuck                                                         

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Re: 4104 engine upgrades
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2006, 03:37:22 AM »
chuck,

What is "dw/ls gov."?
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Re: 4104 engine upgrades
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2006, 01:03:06 AM »
4 valve head, dual exhaust wet filters........also running with 8''s.

only place they get me is off the line.....couple miles down the road I can catch and pass most......450hp doesn't really ammount to top speed when the comapny has the buses goverend at the speed limit......

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Re: 4104 engine upgrades
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2006, 10:47:39 AM »
Well, Guys, Here is where I am at.  The coach is at DD shop.  My previous post on the main bearing problem is now modified according to the Shop foreman yesterday.  They got the 20 under bearings and tried to install them, but it locked the crank!  So I don't know where in Sam Hill we are with this engine now?  If the crank checks close to 20 under, and 20 under bearings won't fit, it looks to me like the crank has to come out.  Anyone here got any ideas of what to do with this?  Bill T.

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Re: 4104 engine upgrades
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2006, 01:54:50 PM »
chuck,

What is "dw/ls gov."?

Double Weight - limiting speed
As opposed to a Sigle Weight - limiting speed
or
a single weight - constant speed (comes in either single speed setting or dual speed)

or SW-VS Single Weight - variable speed.