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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2014, 06:28:54 AM »
I don't know or care I just see the buses that English outfit is going to buy from all  a few of the X3 are showing up here also I am in AZ right off I 40
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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2014, 06:46:45 AM »
Swadain: you seem to know it all!!!  Disrespect for straight answers is just plain rude! Don't ask if you don't want to know!  A man with your means and loaded mile potential should be nothing but new anyway with warranties and a loaner bus when your is in shop..That is just good business.. How many spare buses will you have with a 15-16 yr old fleet and by the time you buy (2 yrs) they will be almost 20 yr old..  The market is what it is.. to play you got to pay. Shouldn't have problem financing with a 135,000 loaded mile contract= 800,000 to 1 mil yr contract.  The late 90's with your great contract is a bad choice.  Just my opinion..  Bob
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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2014, 07:06:05 AM »
I don't get the point about the D being better than a E both buses of the same year have the same running gear the E just is more plush with a few more features simple reasoning tells you the E is highly sought after or their resale value would be in bottom of the barrel and they are not  
FWIW why not Vanhool ABC the Vanhool dealer in USA is the outfit that done all the the rehab on the 400 MCI buses lol I am sure the redone MCI will have a few Vanhool parts but I'll ask Mark today how many Vanhools are in the Greyhound fleet he will know
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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2014, 09:36:18 AM »
Well it wasn't my lying eyes I spoke with Mark the TX Vanhools were coming from their FL location on the way to Greyhounds Bolt in Portland where the paint scheme was wrapped with Bolt's colors 
Greyhound has a 5 year lease on 25 Vanhools 5 Tx and 20 of the CX models and they are working on another lease order with ABC doing all the maintenance
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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2014, 05:22:26 PM »
  If you can't afford the bus you want why are you whining about it on a BUS CONVERSION board??>>>Dan
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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2014, 05:31:39 PM »
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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2014, 05:44:45 PM »
Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just asking for help, and I asked 'cause I want to know but nobody has "straight answers" right here. I'm not being disrespectful to straight answers when there's no straight answers. Please tell me when someone has explained why the EL3 is so expensive and if they have gotten fixed. Those are the questions I asked, but people are talking about Greyhound Setras, Prevosts, and Van Hools instead, which undoubtedly gets me agitated and, I'm sorry that I've come across as rude, but everyone tips over when asking for help about EL3's and getting told about everything OT. I haven't really found out anything right now except that Greyhound leased some Van Hool TX45's that are going for BoltBus Seattle which makes sense because they're not on the roster, and except that all buses can catch on fire and I do know some Greyhound DL3's caught on fire before rebuilds.

Am I being rude? Maybe I am, but I'm not trying to be mean, just look at my OP, I simply looking to know:

Why is the EL3 so expensive?

and

Did they fix the electronic and componentry problems that were prevalent in the early EL3's?

Those were my two original questions, I was not rude in asking them, and yet nobody has even tried to answer those questions, instead insisting that I buy new buses which is not what I asked about. Yes, I do know a lot about Greyhound having studied Greyhound history for years and discussed that company with many of its own employees, plus following every new release and article that comes public about Greyhound, however I was only saying what I know, not trying to act like a "know-it-all". But what am I supposed to do when I ask about EL3's and people respond about everything but EL3's (other than saying they "can't be that bad")?

I apologize if this sounds demanding, but with all due respect, I'm looking for help with EL3's, not for "Greyhound has some leased TX45's going to BoltBus Seattle" and not for "just buy new buses". That's a straight answer? I've gotten no straight answers, sir. I did not ask about used vs. new buses. And even Greyhound has used J4500's in line-haul service. I only heard that 130,000-mile figure on a news release and I can indeed cite that source.

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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2014, 06:27:18 PM »
I simply looking to know:

Why is the EL3 so expensive?

and

Did they fix the electronic and componentry problems that were prevalent in the early EL3's?

Here's a straight answer to your first question:  The EL3 costs what it costs because that is what the market dictates.  You apparently perceive it as expensive or overpriced; that's a viewpoint for you and immaterial to the market -- obviously there is someone else out there happy to pay the price.  When someone else isn't, the price will fall.  Meanwhile, the market doesn't care whether you are in or out.  Either you can afford the bus or you cannot; understanding why it costs what it does isn't going to make any impact on that bottom line.  No one here can guarantee you what the bus is going to cost in a couple years when you're ready to buy anyway.

As to your second question, I neither know nor care.  Others here have given you a wealth of valuable and relevant information on competing models and alternatives.  That you don't value their input tells most of us all that we need to know.  After this diatribe, I think you'll now have better luck doing your due diligence elsewhere.

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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2014, 07:19:13 PM »
I'm sorry, but nobody has given me options of competing models. They've mainly talked about the TX45 and CX45 models which entered production after the E4500 exited production so they're not even on the same more thanpage, so to speak.

After consulting many in the industry, I've narrowed it down to the 102D3/102DL3, 102EL3, XL-45/XL-II, and old H3-45. Nobody has mentioned those models on this thread and those are the models that were competing against the EL3/E4500 until the rise of the J4500 in 2004. Out of those models, the most expensive is the EL3, and yet some EL3 ads have been on for months with no one buying, and the prices still don't drop.

If anyone could please tell me why a EL3 costs a H3-45 from the same year, that would explain half my questions. And again, a TX45 is not even an option for me, because it's too new.

Before saying new buses are better, DOT testing has shown a D4505 gets -1 mpg compared to the old D4500. Need the links to the test results?

And Arrow's own website says they have 168 coaches, not 400 coaches. Don't know where that poster got that info.

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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2014, 07:55:48 PM »
Where did I says 400 coaches I believe I said buses they have other divisions besides Arrow Stage Lines like 3 in Phoenix look it up since you like the web they are big into school buses yes they are in the entertainer buses also, but 170 coaches in the Arrow Stage Lines sounds about right if you like I can call Steve and get a total number of buses or coaches 
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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2014, 07:58:13 PM »
Please, I'm just looking for technical information on the EL3. And again, not trying to be rude, but 24 posts later, no technical information on the EL3. I guess I should've worded it better. My bad. Sorry if I wasted your time.

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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2014, 08:13:27 PM »
I told you from the beginning the people I know like Arrow and a couple of casinos here love the coaches,I do a little work for the casinos and I never heard of major problems I don't know if they are over priced or not but they sell, as you know the E and J have been the best selling coach for years there has to be a reason

good luck on your venture 
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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2014, 08:19:04 PM »
Please, I'm just looking for technical information on the EL3. And again, not trying to be rude, but 24 posts later, no technical information on the EL3. I guess I should've worded it better. My bad. Sorry if I wasted your time.

no one here has a fleet of EL3's to give you a definitive answer...you are on a CONVERSIONS web site, apparently the coach you are referring to is not a popular candidate....yet.
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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2014, 08:27:34 PM »
But I thought the E was MCI's primary conversion coach until they started offering the J4500 for conversions. And I've heard (emphasis on "heard") many times that the J was an E with D componentry, apparently the E had "horrible" componentry and had to get replaced by D componentry but that meant losing the electronic suspension which was supposed to give the E a "silky smooth ride". I have no idea what components people are talking about.

I know the J has been selling very well, but what's the big difference between the J and the E? No electronic suspension? What's electronic suspension vs electronic stability control?

And I know nobody here has a fleet of E's, but no one even has a E4500-C, the conversion model? Surely the basics can't be that different.

This makes me quite confused: http://www.mcicoach.com/service-support/serinfo/serinfo12B.htm.

Again, all this is stuff I've heard, no confirmation and no citations. That's why I'm asking here, but if many people have H3-45, XL-II, and J4500 conversions, why not a E4500-C?

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Re: Overpriced EL3's
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2014, 08:30:35 PM »
The E's are a nice bus I have friend in San Diego that bought a factory shell with slides a few years ago he has been converting
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