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Offline Tikvah

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Tag Chains
« on: November 27, 2017, 01:37:43 PM »
Related to my previous topic, if I find my tag bearings are bad I'll simply lift my tag and drive to the Chattanooga Garage for service.  I've always thought I should get some chains for my tags since those are basically my spare tires as well.

Any instructions on making chains?  What length?  Hooks?
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Re: Tag Chains
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2017, 01:58:03 PM »
Related to my previous topic, if I find my tag bearings are bad I'll simply lift my tag and drive to the Chattanooga Garage for service.  I've always thought I should get some chains for my tags since those are basically my spare tires as well.

Any instructions on making chains?  What length?  Hooks?

Made mine several years ago. You need rings on the chains to hook over the steel hooks on the bus. I think I just heated the end links and expanded them with a punch till they fit. Length was custom fit. Long enough to get the rings over the hooks when the axle is lifted. Not too long that the tire drags when the jack is removed and the axle is lowered onto the chains.

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Re: Tag Chains
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2017, 03:17:00 PM »
Excellent strategy, with a warning.

I'd be inclined to do the traveling in the dark, with a tag in the air.

Local law enforcement is not nearly as easy going as when these buses were new, and the wild stories of what went on to recover things originally happened.

And there weren't cell phones available to the hysterical do-gooders, to both rat you out and record the evidence.

You'll have to pay for the knowledge to get you out of the trouble you aren't in, when they charge you with doing what you aren't doing...

I expect even the dark won't be our friend for much longer...

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Re: Tag Chains
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2017, 04:34:00 PM »
????   

What exactly are you trying to say here? Any chance you can simplify the obfuscation?
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2017, 06:26:05 PM »
He’s saying it’s illegal
To run with tags retracted and law enforcement will ticket you and people driving by will take cell phone video and call the police and report you. Funny thing is, I drove with retracted tags on my MCI 9 cause they were seized in the retracted position for three years all over the U.S. with never a problem. If you’re 34,000 lbs like we were, it’s not illegal to run with tags retracted. Semi trucks do it all the time with no load. Again guys, I fulltime and drive 20,000 miles a year most years....literally all over the United States....DOT never ever bothers me. I’ve passed every single weigh station for 8 years. I’ve run retracted tags at times no clearance lamps for a couple years once, no toad brake system on either coach/toad, parked on one-ramps overnight for years, and dumped my grey water on the ground a couple times in the desert and have never been bothered by anyone about anything. Don’t try this at home. After all, I’m a professional....a professional dufus I suppose.


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Re: Tag Chains
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2017, 06:29:51 PM »
The only reason it might be illegal would be if retracting the tag axle causes the drive or steer axle to be above legal axle weight limits.

 

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Re: Tag Chains
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2017, 07:01:40 PM »
Honestly, in BW’s defense, in my case with my 102C3, I would most definitely exceed my limits retracting my tag. Without a doubt. I’m 40,000lbs even right now!!!


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Re: Tag Chains
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2017, 07:14:20 PM »
My tags barely cleared the ground when "lifted".  The neighbourhood soccer mom wouldn't likely have ever noticed.  As Craig pointed out you may put your drive axle overweight but I wouldn't worry about someone ratting you out.  The average car driver is lucky to notice a flat on his own vehicle, let alone someone else's.  It is also becoming more and more common to see deliberately raised axles on OTR trucks running empty.  In the event that some zealous soccer mom was watching for raised axles every second empty semi would keep her occupied.
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Re: Tag Chains
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2017, 10:33:47 AM »
Probably not nearing the gvwr or the drive axle gawr so lifting the tag should not be a problem. As far as the bountiful videographers, they would have a heyday up here. Darn near ever truck on the road run lift axles to deadhead back only using one axle to reduce wear and tear on the un-needed axles/tires.
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Re: Tag Chains
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2017, 08:16:25 AM »
Years ago (in the 80's) one of the big rig trailer manufacturers came up with an independent suspension system for their trailers using single tires on each of the 3 axles. Since they didn't have the safety of duals, each tire had a small cable winch (similar to a boat trailer) above to pull the tire off the ground if you had a flat. Ultimately, the independent suspension system was to maintenance intensive and was cancelled. But-you'll still see the big double drop moving vans with three axles using standard axles but still single tires.
I know on large electronic trailers (electronic trailers are flat floored with no wheel wells compared to household trailers that can have wheel wells to obtain the biggest interior space) using the small 17.5" donut tires, most have three axles. But-in California, 3 axles on a trailer is not allowed, so the front axle has an axle lift built into the air suspension. Just thought you might want to know. Good Luck, TomC
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Re: Tag Chains
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2017, 03:47:24 PM »
I guess there's no one been put in the position...

It isn't about the technicalities, it isn't about right or wrong, it's about ruining your day, and being charged, rightly or wrongly, by an over-zealous protector of the highway. Most busnuts do not have the highway law knowledge to be able to moderate such an encounter.

After you have a mitt full of charges, you have to choose to pay, or spend what it takes to get cleared, if indeed, you have been wrongly charged.

Either way, the busnut loses.

Some claim to enjoy the wrestle in the mud, and the costs and exposure are irrelevant.

However, most busnuts really don't need the trouble, and She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed will not weather a law enforcement encounter well.

That's the sort of adventure that ends with orders to sell the coach. We aren't likely to hear THAT busnut on here bragging about mama laying down the law...

Potential for brushing up against law enforcement? Follow the submariners: Run silent, run deep.

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