Crossing the Canada/US border in a RV

[richard5933]

As unwelcome and unpleasant the current situation is with the border(s) being closed between the US and Canada, I think that there's a HUGE chasm between what's happening now and what happened in the years after WWII.

No country/city is being occupied by a foreign power here. This is just not the same thing and I believe that using comparisons between the two only serves to minimize the events of WWII and the ensuing years.

[CrabbyMilton]

I would agree but the same restrictions more or less. Not a postwar situation but a huge pain in the keaster.

[richard5933]

I would agree but the same restrictions more or less. Not a postwar situation but a huge pain in the keaster.

Well, maybe the same as far as the border being closed.

Not so much as far as the starvation and the immediate death sentence for those trying to cross without permission and shot on sight. Haven't heard too many reports of anyone being shot trying to cross the US/Canadian border recently.

[CrabbyMilton]

That’s fair enough and I certainly don’t downplay the focal point of the Cold War. I was just taking an abstract view based on transportation issues.

[richard5933]

That’s fair enough and I certainly don’t downplay the focal point of the Cold War. I was just taking an abstract view based on transportation issues.

I know that to most people this is functionally the same looking at it from 20,000 feet. It's just starting to bother me when people make so many comparisons between things we're going through nowadays which are a PITA and things which happened in recent history (and still happening in some parts of the world) which were truly horrendous.

The more we use speech which catastrophizes things which are not truly a catastrophe, the more we demean things which truly are.

[Fred Mc]

 "I think that there's a HUGE chasm between what's happening now and what happened in the years after WWII."
There are a lot of people who fled places like Poland  and came to the west who claim  what they escaped from started in a similar fashion to what we have now.

[richard5933]

"I think that there's a HUGE chasm between what's happening now and what happened in the years after WWII."
There are a lot of people who fled places like Poland  and came to the west who claim  what they escaped from started in a similar fashion to what we have now.

I think a much better comparison is what happened in the US during the flu pandemic at the start of the 20th century. Very much the same as what we've seen over the past year and a half, including quarantines and border closings.

Lots of my family didn't make it out of Eastern Europe at the start of WWII. The stories I've heard from those that did were nothing like what we've seen in recent months. Not at the start, and certainly not at the end.

I understand that to some people things may feel similar, but looked at objectively they are not.

The border closings being discussed in this thread are temporary and things will return to normal at some point.

[luvrbus]

The way you do it close the boarder of a well developed,a long time allies and trading partner country and open the south boarder to all, that is the way we do it in the USA   

[richard5933]

The way you do it close the boarder of a well developed,a long time allies and trading partner country and open the south boarder to all, that is the way we do it in the USA   

This is a whole other conversation.

[luvrbus]

This is a whole other conversation.

Not really 1 boarder is north the other is south both should be the same,I have friends on both sides that cannot come across either boarder legally 

[richard5933]

Not really 1 boarder is north the other is south both should be the same,I have friends on both sides that cannot come across either boarder legally

I said that it's a whole other conversation, because of your mention of the southern border being 'open', which I assume is a reference to the policies of the administration with regard to illegal crossings. There is no way to get into this without it becoming political, and that doesn't typically end well.

The official rules for legal border crossings are not really different for the US/Mexico border and the US/Canada border right now - essential travel only. It is not, as you said, one border open and one closed. Both borders had their restrictions extended to Aug. 21st according to the latest from the State Dept.

[luvrbus]

I am not trying to be political I just know what going on down south because I live close ,restrictions should apply at both boarders but it isn't the same,I am not into politics, just into right and wrong.Gary has lock button if it gets pollical     

[Utahclaimjumper]

 There is a huge difference in being theoretical and being practical,, theoretically the south border is closed..  But practically it is wide open as evidenced by the huge increase of fentanyl and other drug deaths in our major cities.. ( not to mention 188K migrants a month crossing the "closed" border..>>>Dan

[richard5933]

I don't disagree with you guys about the porosity of the southern border and the problems which come with it.

That conversation is an important one and one worthy of having.

However, to me it's not the same conversation as one about the current situation with the covid-related closure of legal crossings. This is why I said it's a whole other conversation.

It's possible for their to be multiple different conversations in the US about borders, and they don't all have to happen simultaneously.

[lvmci]

On a 60 minute report, there were many children reported,  that cross the border to go to school in the US everyday, moms and dads that work on long term jobs in US and cross back for the night to the MEX border towns. I know of a couple companies in southern CA, that moved their hazardous material portion of their business right across the border, while keeping their lighter equipment part of their business in CA...