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Re: Hydrogen retro fit and semi retro fit diesel motors
« Reply #120 on: February 10, 2023, 09:06:20 AM »
Hell No. REMEMBER THE HINDENBURG! 🤔

Actually they did a Myth Busters episode on it and it was more the composition of the skin material rather than the hydrogen itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkeNRXRJixA


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« Reply #121 on: February 10, 2023, 11:32:11 AM »
Speaking of Hindenburgs...
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« Reply #122 on: February 10, 2023, 11:37:50 AM »
How about some trivia? Balloons of this type have traversed the whole world five times in the last 1/2 dozen years. I know one thing - if I was head of Alaska's state government I'd be in trouble with the Feds when I told them " phuck it! I'm shootin' it down!" Lmao
On a more serious note: kinda scary...
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« Reply #123 on: February 10, 2023, 03:19:28 PM »
A bIt off the subject. Don't think it was a hydrogen filled Baloon, probably helium filled...
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« Reply #124 on: February 10, 2023, 05:16:50 PM »
Yeah sorry for the thread drift but I had to go off on Chessie's mention of the Hindenberg. I read that the fighter pilot used lots of caution when hitting it not knowing what kind of an explosion it would create. Back to your regularly scheduled program... :^
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« Reply #125 on: February 10, 2023, 06:23:58 PM »
Dan, speaking of the Hindenberg, I heard on the radio today that a scientist confirmed it was the paint on the blimp that caught fire initially, that spread to the internal structure and explosions...
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« Reply #126 on: February 10, 2023, 06:27:30 PM »
 HYDROGEN NEWS
February 10, 2023 1 By TAMI HOOD

The new facility will be carbon negative in its production of H2 in California.

SGH2 Energy Global Corporation has announced that it has received the final approval required to move ahead with its carbon-negative green hydrogen production facility.

The announcement showed that SGH2 had overcome the last hurdle in gaining all the necessary approvals.

The SGH2 recently received the approval for the company’s use permit (CUP) from the City of Lancaster (CA) Planning Commission. At the same time, it received its environmental impact statement (CEQA). These approvals have given the thumbs up to the Full Investment Decision (FID) and Engineering, Procurement and Construction (EPC) phase of the green hydrogen production plant project.

“This is a major milestone for SGH2, the City of Lancaster and the world,” said the CEO of SGH2 Dr. Robert T. Co. “Not only are we producing more hydrogen with a larger negative carbon footprint than other proposed green hydrogen projects, but we have now cleared a steep hurdle that no other large-scale green hydrogen company has achieved.”

The green hydrogen plant not only produces renewable H2 but the facility itself has limited pollutants.

“Our facility has a low environmental footprint with minimal polluting emissions or effluents and meets all California’s strict state and local environmental and safety standards,” said Do. “All the carbon-negative clean hydrogen we produce has long-term off-take agreements and will supply hydrogen refueling stations (HRS) in the Los Angeles metropolitan areas while simultaneously supporting the California Energy Commission’s (CEC) and the Air Resources Board’s (CARB) goal of decarbonizing our heavy mobility footprint.”
“Lancaster is proud to be home to this ground-breaking project,” said the Mayor of Lancaster R. Rex Parris. “SGH2 is a proven innovator in green hydrogen technology and now has the green light to begin engineering and construction. We are excited to see this cutting-edge project break ground in the U.S.’s first hydrogen city.”

The green hydrogen facility will place the spotlight on SGH2’s pioneering Solena Plasma Enhanced Gasification (SPEG) technology. SPEG converts recycled mixed paper waste into clean, carbon negative H2. This process cuts CO2 emissions by two to three times more than conventionally produced renewable H2.

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Re: Hydrogen retro fit and semi retro fit diesel motors
« Reply #127 on: February 10, 2023, 06:43:38 PM »
Germany has hydrogen trains, don't they?,I saw a Union Pacific train engine with a Hydrogen fueled Cat engine at the MK yard in Boise 2 years ago they were working on. 
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« Reply #128 on: February 10, 2023, 07:04:00 PM »
NREL.GOV
Hydrogen Blending as a Pathway Toward U.S. Decarbonization

Jan. 24, 2023 | By Natasha Nguyen | Contact media relations

The U.S. natural gas infrastructure is expansive, providing service for 32% of the nation’s energy consumption in 2021. To reduce the emissions from natural gas service, blending hydrogen into natural gas pipelines could prove to be a promising, cost-effective pathway. It would not only use existing natural gas infrastructure but also serve key end users where electrification is uneconomic.

Hydrogen is an energy carrier that can be produced and consumed with nearly zero emissions in several key markets where natural gas is used today. Blending hydrogen into natural gas pipelines is just one of these markets, but numerous challenges and uncertainties complicate this approach.

A technical report coauthored by researchers at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), Sandia National Laboratories, and Pacific Northwest National Laboratory reviewed the state of hydrogen blending technology to provide direction for future hydrogen blending research. The report, titled “Hydrogen Blending into Natural Gas Pipeline Infrastructure: Review of the State of Technology,” explores material, economic, and operational factors that must be considered, including summaries of studies that developed relevant mathematical models used to study how blending hydrogen impacts the operation of natural gas transmission and distribution infrastructure.

“The concept of blending hydrogen into natural gas pipelines is not new and has been around for decades, but there remain large knowledge gaps,” said Mark Chung, NREL's hydrogen systems analysis lead. “We hope this study serves as a useful reference for those considering blending demonstrations or future areas of related research.”...

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« Reply #129 on: February 16, 2023, 03:14:40 PM »
 NREL.gov News » Hydrogen Blending as a Pathway Toward U.S. Decarbonization
Jan. 24, 2023 | By Natasha Nguyen | Contact media relations

The U.S. natural gas infrastructure is expansive, providing service for 32% of the nation’s energy consumption in 2021. To reduce the emissions from natural gas service, blending hydrogen into natural gas pipelines could prove to be a promising, cost-effective pathway. It would not only use existing natural gas infrastructure but also serve key end users where electrification is uneconomic.

Hydrogen is an energy carrier that can be produced and consumed with nearly zero emissions in several key markets where natural gas is used today. Blending hydrogen into natural gas pipelines is just one of these markets...
...A technical report coauthored by researchers at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), Sandia National Laboratories, and Pacific Northwest National Laboratory reviewed the state of hydrogen blending technology to provide direction for future hydrogen blending research. The report, titled “Hydrogen Blending into Natural Gas Pipeline Infrastructure: Review of the State of Technology,” explores material, economic, and operational factors that must be considered, including summaries of studies that developed relevant mathematical models used to study how blending hydrogen impacts the operation of natural gas transmission and distribution infrastructure.

“The concept of blending hydrogen into natural gas pipelines is not new and has been around for decades, but there remain large knowledge gaps,” said Mark Chung, NREL's hydrogen systems analysis lead. “We hope this study serves as a useful reference for those considering blending demonstrations or future areas of related research.”...

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Re: Hydrogen retro fit and semi retro fit diesel motors
« Reply #130 on: February 16, 2023, 06:53:37 PM »
NREL.gov News » Hydrogen Blending as a Pathway Toward U.S. Decarbonization
Jan. 24, 2023 | By Natasha Nguyen | Contact media relations
“The concept of blending hydrogen into natural gas pipelines is not new and has been around for decades, but there remain large knowledge gaps,” said Mark Chung, NREL's hydrogen systems analysis lead. “We hope this study serves as a useful reference for those considering blending demonstrations or future areas of related research.”...

The problem is that a lot of the hydrogen can leak out before it gets to the consumer since hydrogen is a very slipper element that will transfuse through solid steel and currently natural gas pipeline's leak at it is at a rate of 2-4% and that's with methane not hydrogen which leaks faster. (maybe as high as 10%)..


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« Reply #131 on: February 16, 2023, 07:31:19 PM »
Germany has hydrogen trains, don't they?
They are low-speed short-distance local and commuter trains for the relatively few lines that are still not electrified there.   Most trains in Europe are electric;  even Britain is slooooowly extending its rail electrification!

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« Reply #132 on: February 17, 2023, 06:30:18 AM »
I read to day where they are converting Methane gas to Hydrogen.lol I could comment on that one  :^ I know several people who make a lot of Methane after eating Mexican food   
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« Reply #133 on: February 17, 2023, 10:03:23 AM »
Hydrogen Fuel News
Wrightbus plans to develop green hydrogen production plant in Ballymena
February 17, 2023 0 By ANGIE BERGENSON
The Northern Ireland-based bus manufacturer will make a multi-pound investment in the project.
Wrightbus intends to build the new green hydrogen production plant in partnership with Oxford-based Hygen Energy at Wrightbus’ Ballymena site.
The plant will produce enough clean hydrogen to fuel hundreds of buses a day.
Wrightbus plans to adapt an existing brick building on a 2.5-acre site at its Ballymena headquarters for the new facility.

As part of the company’s business is the manufacturing of buses powered by hydrogen fuel, the new facility would help to establish a reliable source of fuel for the buses as well as other hydrogen-powered vehicles.

Once it begins operation, the plant is expected to initially generate enough green hydrogen to power 300 hydrogen buses a day in Northern Ireland.

This green hydrogen project will help to further decarbonize bus routes in the UK.

“Hydrogen is the best means of decarbonising many bus routes, but for this to happen bus operators need a reliable and voluminous supply of low cost, low carbon hydrogen,” said chairman of Wrightbus, Jo Bamford.
Presently, most hydrogen produced in the UK is generated by splitting it from natural gas. Though the end product is emission free, this production method emits carbon dioxide. Since green hydrogen is produced through renewable electricity via electrolysis, generating it is emission-free or produces very low carbon.

The initial plans for sourcing renewable energy for the Ballymena facility electrolyzer has not yet been finalized. The company will either buy the electricity from an existing renewable generator or develop its own means to generate renewable power, such as through solar or wind.

Wrightbus is no stranger to clean transportation. Back in 2020, the company launched the first fleet of hydrogen-powered double-decker buses in the world. This fleet of buses, some of which are operated by Translink, reached an incredible milestone in November of last year (2022), covering 1.75 million kilometers (1.087 million miles) since first being rolled out for service.

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“With our Hydroliner buses now moving passengers every day in a number of cities across the UK…Hydrogen is the best means of decarbonising many bus routes,” Bamford said, adding, “This project will initially be able to produce enough hydrogen to run up to 300 buses, and has the potential to triple in scale as demand for hydrogen increases.”

Wrightbus hopes the hydrogen production project will be an example for how such projects will be designed and built.

Though planning permission has not yet been granted for the hydrogen production plant project, Wrightbus will submit an application to Mid and East Antrim Borough Council in April. The goal is for a planning decision by winter 2023 with the possibility of the facility up and running by summer 2024.

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« Reply #134 on: February 17, 2023, 10:57:23 AM »
I believe Japan will be the leader in the Hydrogen development. Japan depends on importing around 90% of their petroleum and the nuclear power didn't work out good for Japan   
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