Don't break down in California with a 2-Stroke

[muldoonman]

As far as the guy who wants to move the bus from CA to TX, why? There is no reason to do so unless the engine is clapped out. That said, I do not know how poor an engine hits the limit, all I know is mine is very very clean and. should be fine until it goes to the graveyard.

My 1991 XL  only had 96,000 miles when sold. I was second owner for 11 years. Bought it with 40,000 miles on it. Maintained by Stewart Stevenson Detroit in San Antone. It was perfect as the engine still looked new. Bright and Silver. The Company lost both Mechanics that worked on the 2 Strokes and couldn't find a soul to work on it that knew what they were doing with them. Seen the hand writing on the wall as Cliff is too far away to work on the little stuff. Next one will be a 4 Stroke. In Califorkia  the Graveyard ain't gonna be very far away for the poor 2 Strokes..

[Jim Blackwood]

They said steam engines would always be around too. Used to be you had a boiler in every building of any size too. I know where there are a few steam engines but you have to make special arrangements to even see them. They aren't really building them any more for cars and trucks. Haven't been for quite some time now. That's a damn shame too, there's a lot to be said for a good external combustion engine. With today's technology it should be possible to build a really great one if anybody would just give it a chance. Well, I'm glad I am at least one step away from the 2 strokes. That might buy me a few more years.

Jim

[windtrader]

retro fitting our old 2 strokes with hydrogen injection (which exists today, very similar to CNG injection...

What is your opinion of cost and feasibility to retro a bus conversion? You are the one with the details: how large is the tanks equivalent to current diesel, what is the availability to fuel across the country, especially in rural areas where even gas is a challenge, and cost/compolexity of the conversion? From a value perspective, what does a  conversion gain? thanks

[luvrbus]

With some Motel 6 charging $186.00 a night and a burger, fries and Coke at 5 Guys for $24.00 conversions are looking good if you avoid a campground.4 strokes guys are not out of the woods in California either they don't want those unless they are 2010 and newer using DEF 

[Van]

Tom (LVMCI) won't be investing in alternatives any time soon! He and Clifford just fired up his bus's newly built high dollar two stroke, sounds good by the way Tom!

[lvmci]

Thanks Van. Just like any new technology, like cell phones, microwaves or VHS recorders,initial buyers will pay a high price. I would expect CNG injection systems into 2 strokes will see a price drop. The CNG injection systems do make a big dent in particulates and other aspects of polutiin.

[freds]

If I ever need to repower my rig I am thinking that it needs to be a diesel hybrid!!!

Check out Edison Motors https://www.edisonmotors.ca/

Their YouTube channel where they built their first conversion and new truck in a tent:

https://www.youtube.com/@EdisonMotors

[Nova Eona]

If I ever need to repower my rig I am thinking that it needs to be a diesel hybrid!!!

Seconding this.  I'm still partially convinced that the economics of hydrogen will never work on the road at scale and that it's just a distraction tech pushed by fossil fuel companies to delay the onset of EVs.

[sledhead]

If I ever need to repower my rig I am thinking that it needs to be a diesel hybrid!!!

Check out Edison Motors https://www.edisonmotors.ca/

Their YouTube channel where they built their first conversion and new truck in a tent:

https://www.youtube.com/@EdisonMotors

x2 I saw a hybrid bus in mickey world at fort wilderness camp ground driving people to and from the parks . made by ballard industries Florida in 2006 ? 
reg transit bus with a 35 hp diesel engine generator hybrid

this is the future if we did not live in a through away world

[Van]

Well with everyone bailing out on fossil fuels that will leave enough for the rest of us coal rollers When or if my freshly built DDEC 892 lets go I'll just go to a 4 stroke 14ltr 60 series/B500 combo like I should have done from the very beginning. I'll let the next gen busnuts figure out a newer way of powering these Monoliths.

[ProfessionalVagabond]

I follow the Calif. DMV and CARB regulations quite closely as they related to older 2 stroke buses that have been converted to personal RV use and DMV issues motorhome titles.


CA bus conversion titled as motorhomes - CARB is implementing the latest round of regulations that impact the old 2 stroke buses under the Clean Truck Check/HD/IM program. The bottom line is there is now a new requirement to submit a smoke test annually. I had mine done for myself to know and it easily passes the opacity limits.


Out of state bus conversions titled as motorhome/RV are allowed to travel freely without regulation or penalties.


If you fall into one of these categories it seems highly unlikely any LEO is going to even attempt to cite or take any emissions actions against you. AFAIK, the only way LEO would take action is if you fail to have a current registration from the DMV and that is the agency that works with CARB on compliance.


https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/CTC/about


https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/news/california-air-resources-board-extends-deadline-initial-reporting-clean-truck-check

Thanks Don. As mentioned previously let's tone down the fear mongering. It really means not much is going to change for RVs. Of course business people in CA want to bill out repair dollars. And tax gets paid too!

Thanks for the clarification.