Hi All,
I just wanted to clear up something, I got a message from a poster that apparently thought I was attacking them over the converter - inverter issue.
If anyone was insulted, I am very sorry and didn't intend my response to come out that way, It was only about some genius engineer somewhere and a possible misunderstanding of exactly how a thing is or should be wired for best performance
and reliability..
Here is a copy of the message that I sent back via email, Maybe my explanation will help anyone of whom I may have confused or upset....
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First, Let me say that I didn't and wasn't directing any ill towards you personally. I apologize if it came out that way.
The engineering principle is in general terms, You should not need to convert 24 d.c. volts up to 120 a.c. volts just to reconvert it
back down to 12 volts.
This is a loss + loss way of getting 12 volts d.c. , Now although if I dug through all the technical reasons and formulas I could prove that without a doubt.
If your 24 volt battery bank is grounded to the chassis of your rig so that the Negative battery terminal goes to ground.
And if your battery bank is also / or charged by the engine electrical system ( ie: 24 volt coach ) when the engine is running..
Then you have a 12 volt supply already available. This would be available at the 1/2 way point from ground of your battery bank.
This is assuming that your battery bank is made up of 6 volt batteries or 12 volt batteries. ( series - parallel )
(-) Neg of first group of batteries... in a 6 volt arrangement you may have 4 each 6 volt batteries hooked in series
with the last POS (+) terminal being the 24 volt Tap... In that case you go to the jumper between battery 2 and 3 to get (+) 12 volts.
You may have 4 batteries or 8 batteries which would be 2 strings of 24 volts in parallel. (best if you have 8 )
Or you may have 12 volt batteries. So 2 12 volt batteries in series = 24 volts. or 2 sets of 2 in parallel is 24 volts
You would get 12 volts from the link between battery 1 and 2 in a string. 12 volts on the (+) POS terminal.
Now this establishes that you have batteries to pull the 24 volts from and where to find the 12 volt point of your
battery bank.
The next issue is your converter. If it is one of the RV type that includes a built in charger and IF you have a 12 volt
line feeding back to a 12 volt battery somewhere ( like tapped off the 24 volt bank ) You risk the built in charger
trying to charge whenever the converter is powered by 120 volt a.c. power ( including if it is powered by the Inverter ).
This was the point that I was concerned with. But in reflection I suppose it is possible that a wire may not have been
installed between the CHARGER output and the battery bank.
However..... One of my points is that if your Inverter goes offline due to low batteries you will also lose all 12 volt
accessories that are powered by the converter that is getting its power from the inverter. LOSS+LOSS...
It cost's more battery power to convert up to 120 and then down to 12 volts to run 12 volt Lighting and accessories.
I prefer a system wired so that even if you do not have enough power to run your inverter, You would still have
12 volts available for lighting, radios and accessory use. ( Lights to see what you are doing until you get power restored.)
It isn't rocket science, But it sounds like it. Many people will argue the merits of both ways of doing things.
There is another element that gets confused into these things and those are called equalizers (ie; Vanner ) that takes
24 volts and balances the charge at the 12 volt point on a battery bank by using a portion of the overall voltage
of a 24 volt system. MCI uses them as do most other 24 volt coaches. Some have them some don't.
I run a 12 volt system with a Heart\Xantrex 458 series 3,000 watt Inverter with 150 amp built in charger.
My lights and 12 volt accessories are tapped directly from the same battery bank as the inverter uses.
I have a 150 watt Solar system that also adds power to the battery bank when the sun is shining.
My battery bank is 8 ea 6-volt deep cycle golf cart batteries.
I have run the batteries down to the point that the inverter shuts down automatically. However my lighting
all continued to operate although at about 10.5 volts rather than 12.5 which they normally get.
If I leave everything off that needs 12 volts all day and don't have shore power or have not used the generator
I still have power after 8 or more hours of solar charging to turn things back on at night. I can stretch power
by letting the solar handle trickle charging and at times running my vent fans on thermostat mode when I am
not using the coach. I don't have to worry about flat batteries or lack of lights in a pinch.
I also have a 24 volt Inverter that will be a backup if I need it, But I will still tap at the 12 volt level for lights.
The only difference is that you have a 24 volt system, With that the only addition might be a Vanner equalizer
to keep the batteries balanced. No more "converter" and the inherant problems it can cause...
I don't know exactly what you have so saying simply what is happening is difficult at best.
Like I said, I apologize if you thought I directed that at you, It was about "genius" engineers...
Dave.....
"The DOCTOR is losing his MIND....
::)DrDave