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spring brake conversion should i
« on: November 20, 2007, 05:24:02 PM »
should i change my rear brakes over to spring brakes, i have single chambers now and the icc valve with the johnson bar. i want to do what is safest and best. 1961 4106. has any one done this change pros and cons thanks in advance. george

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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2007, 05:58:44 PM »
George, were you thinking having this done by a shop or as a DIY project? (Cost vs. a lot of plumbing, I would expect.)

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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2007, 06:04:11 PM »
i was going to do it myself

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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2007, 06:11:56 PM »
I have a MCI 5C and spring brakes will NOT fit. The chambers are to big, I was looking at 30/30 spring brakes.  Tom Y
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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 06:17:34 PM »
from what i have read they use 30\30 chambers called mini max, the mounts have to be relocated also on the 4106

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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 06:25:18 PM »
I have spring brakes on my 1961 4106 but they were on when i purchased it from Alan Baker.   They work good and will slide the tires.     Larry

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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 03:44:43 AM »
I have the double chambered spring brake on my 62-06, required a 2.5 inch offset slack adjuster which is commonly available at most truck brake stores.>>>Dan
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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 06:05:00 AM »
did you have to relocate the mounts or just use the offset slack adjuster?

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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2007, 07:42:18 AM »
I cut the slacks in half and offset them myself, then adjusted the actuator rods to the right length, works great.>>>Dan
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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2007, 07:53:48 AM »
Has anyone tried installing 24/24 on a MCI 5A? I would like to install spring brakes instead of the DD3.

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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2007, 09:13:49 AM »
dan can you give me more info on what you mean that you cut the slacks in half? i want to do this swap and trying to get as much info as i can.i read in previous post that the chamber mounts had to be relocated. what chambers did you use?part numbers? thanks george

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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 09:20:13 AM »
George -

Tom Caffery has done this swap on his 4106, I'm sure he will chime in here when he sees the thread.

But, for standard, off-the-shelf truck spring brakes to be installed, you have to cut off and reposition the brake can mounting points.

Can you weld?

If not, you're going to have trouble finding a welding shop that will do the work - liability reasons, mostly.

OTOH, if you're not to far from Chaz, I'm sure he can take care of you, and you'd get to visit with another busnut in the process. . .

FWIW & HTH. . .

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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2007, 09:34:10 AM »
Well, I can't say as I have ANY idea of what a spring brake is or what to do.  ??? ??? ???  I'd be glad to help if I can, but I'd have to know what the situation is.
  Is the parent material mild steel, cast, spring steel, etc? Is it a small part that needs to be TIG-ed or would a MIG or arc welder do?
  Keep me in the loop if you want.

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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2007, 10:07:29 AM »
Has anyone tried installing 24/24 on a MCI 5A? I would like to install spring brakes instead of the DD3.

The number indicates size of the brake chamber in square inches of surface area the air pressure acts on. As a result, the higher the number, the higher force applied to the brakes for a given application pressure.

If you replaced 30's with 24's, you would be reducing your braking ability by 20%.  :(

There are worse things in life than DD3's.  ;)
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Re: spring brake conversion should i
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2007, 02:54:21 PM »
my bus does not have the dd3 chambers they are single chambers. i think later year models went to the dd3s