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« on: November 26, 2007, 05:04:03 PM »
the Mack MV620D was a prototype requested by Greyhound and built and payed for by mack as a result of Antitrust litigation between GM and the hound.

Well before it's time alot of Concepts from the 620 were used on MCI buses when Greyhound bought MCI

along with this project were repowering of 4104 and a scenicruiser with mack powerplants.


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Re: Mack
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 06:29:05 PM »
As recently as last year, there was a Mack 620D with lots of bullet holes at a recycler in Florence, SC. It was being used as a storage shed, but still had it's power train and lights and windows( even with holes).

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Re: Mack
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 07:00:58 PM »
wasn't a Mack MV620D...only one ever made.

likely a 97D which was actually a Rebadged beck

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Re: Mack
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2007, 07:16:17 PM »

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Re: Mack
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2007, 07:18:20 PM »
It sure looked exactly like this one, except it had more bullet holes.


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Re: Mack
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Re: Mack
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2007, 07:25:41 PM »
on yahoo search for 1958 Mack bus

I can assure you it was not a MV-620D......my Dad restored it and it is well documented....he spent hundreds of hours in the Mack archives getting everything they had on it which is volumes

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Re: Mack
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2007, 07:36:54 PM »
1958 mack bus photo and it should be at the top.

mack only made a few of these after purcahsing C.D. Beck.....mainly for thier fire truck sales.

the beck versions were not powered by mack powerplants.

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Re: Mack
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2007, 07:42:53 PM »
26 Mack 97D's

if I get around to looking tomororw I can get the beck production numbers

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Re: Mack
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2007, 07:45:56 PM »
Check www.Mackbuses.net

in the bus lines folder there are several good photos of the models we had made...this one in nationwide Tours, who was the2nd operator and first owner, mack leased it to GH

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Re: Mack
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2007, 08:42:59 PM »
I believe this was a MACK bus that was featured at Jack & Paula's Florida Arcadia Bus rally last year.  No holes in this bus now, if you get to see this bus ask the owner / restorer about her history and see his photo album of when he found her and look at the actual results after he painstakingly restored her to a new life. I am sorry, I do not remember the year she is and maybe someone else can submit this information.

Dahhhh, I just looked at the photo, she is a 1952!!!!
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Re: Mack
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2007, 08:50:42 PM »
seen photos of that bus before.....Mack transits are rare as far as the number running around still but they were made in very large numbers.

Mack Highway Coaches on the other hand are very low production, especially the ones made following the war.

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Re: Mack
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2007, 09:41:39 PM »
This is a real old beauty just rotting away in a field a few miles from our home I wanted to share also.  she should be recognizable to some of you old timers that was into buses way before I realized the value of them myself.
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Re: Mack
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2007, 07:38:11 AM »
Looks like a GM TDM 4509 suburban

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Re: Mack
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2007, 12:41:55 PM »
Just to throw in a curve-ball here, this 'bus conversion' is based on one of a batch of buses built in New Zealand on hybrid Mack / Bedford chassis', powered with Leyland engines and fitted with locally-build bodies. A guess the Kiwis just used whatever they could get hold of.



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Re: Mack
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2007, 02:03:16 PM »
here are a few pics of the Mack MV-620D

It has an as of yet unofficial new home in Ohio ( where it would have been built, in a collection with over 150 stablemates ( mostly Restored Trucks)

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Re: Mack
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2007, 02:03:58 PM »
and now for the trademark shots

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Re: Mack
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2007, 02:05:35 PM »
keep in mind.  the mack is 1957 design vs the MC-8's 1975 design

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Re: Mack
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2007, 02:24:21 PM »
Tailfins, just like an early fishbowl.

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Re: Mack
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2007, 02:35:40 PM »
I don't ever recall seeing any Tailfins on Fishbowls

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Re: Mack
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2007, 02:44:09 PM »
Interesting looking bus. Is there any reason for the extended back portion of the bus other than looks. I worked on Mack trucks for 20 years and never seen a Mack bus. I really would have got ribbed if I had bought a Mack bus instead of a MCI. I always joked about showing my bulldog tatto on my a$$.

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Re: Mack
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2007, 03:00:40 PM »
style for the most part.  also do to that area being outside the bus there is no Engine area inside like on MCI's etc.

mack built thousands of buses, but they were by and large all transits.

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Re: Mack
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2007, 09:52:41 AM »
New oowner just left enroute Springfield OH,

Is now part of a 150 vehicle Private collection

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Re: Mack
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2007, 12:09:39 PM »
Tekebird,

That litle strip that vertically connected the rear lights on early 5301s.



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Re: Mack
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2007, 12:21:25 PM »
hmmm, OK, I would not have gone as far as calling those tailfins.

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Re: Mack
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2007, 07:12:11 AM »
In 1959, we called EVERYTHING tailfins.

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Re: Mack
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2007, 09:31:31 AM »
LOL

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Re: Mack
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2008, 11:19:39 AM »
I happened across an article in a diecast model magazine about the 1960 Mulliner coach show below. Mulliner are a coach-builder famous for their Rolls Royce and Bentley bodies, but have a long history of building buses too. The prototype of this model was displayed at the 1960 Commercial Motor Show in the UK, and apparently they only built two more after that. The styling similarities with the 1958 Mack are obvious - but clearly the market here wasn't any more ready for a coach with fins than it was in the States. The photos here are from the Mulliner brochure for the coach, plus one of a model to show the rear end. I had a quick look around on Google but couldn't find any photos of the full-size vehicle.





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Re: Mack
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2008, 12:04:36 PM »
jeremy, the mack was not built because greyhound bought MCI.  nothing to do with styling.

In fact the MCI MC-6 has stylized tailfins.......it was the first bus designed and built by MCI aftert greyhound Purchased MCi.

No Idea why the Mulliner didn;t pan out.

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Re: Mack
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2008, 05:40:56 PM »
tekebird: MCI was owned by Greyhound Canada for many years before being bought by Greyhound Corp. At that time the current MCI coach was the Courier 96. Greyhound started building from that platform with the MC-1 and it was many years later that they built the MC-6. However, it was the first 102" wide bus built by MCI.

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Re: Mack
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2008, 06:30:24 PM »
true however my statement about the mack is still correct,  It was not until Greyhound bought MCi in entirty that the MC-6 was built.  1958 if I recall, mack was built in 1956 at Greyhound US's request,

while greyhound  Cn owned a majority of MCi I beleive the MCI MC1-4 totalled less than 200 units....and the MC-5 was an update to that series....with the US production/Assembly of MCI buses in the early 60's Greyhound US started taking delivery of units......at this time MCI did not have the production capability and thus the continued GM orders through the 4107 as well as the extended life of the Scenicruiser of which the MC-6 was slated to replace iof you looked at the mack side by side with an MC-6 you would see ALOT of plagerism in design