Painting a Bus with Ceram-Kote

[luvrbus]

Has anybody used this product Ceram-Kote on a bus a friend of mine has his striped and primed and is going to use this product on his.It is a marine epoxy paint and the sample he painted looks like a piece of glass and very smooth and deep.Any in bus land ever heard of it, I don't want him to make a big mistake here    good luck

[Dreamscape]

This is interesting. The site says it's an industrial coating, also being used on aircraft, mainly on leading edge of wings and other areas that require a tough coating. Their site does not say anything about automotive or truck fleet use. Maybe someone has other experiences.

~Paul~

[Nick Badame Refrig/ACC]

Hi Clifford,

Seems to be very duarable stuff. 90% solids
www.armycorrosion.com/past_summits/summit2004/download1.cfm?fname=Miller.pdf -

I hope your friend knows the process for applying. It is also a Urathane that requires a full respirator while applying.

When I shot all my bays with HOK urathane, even the full respirator seemed to not be enough. The urathane had a strong

odor over two weeks after I applied it. Well worth the effort though!


Nick-

[JohnEd]

Nick,

Do you mean "aspirator"?  "Full" and "partial" respirator doesn't seem to make sense to me.   Course, this would certainly not be the first time I wuz confuzed

John

[gus]

I second Nick's post, epoxy paint fumes are deadly and absolutely require the right kind of breathing protection.

[compedgemarine]

actually any type of paint that is catalized is deadly. all of the hardners in epoxy and urathane paints use an isocianate in them and that is the deadly part. check the labels on catalist and if it says isocianate or iso-something use care. isocianate will enter the body through lungs, tear ducts in the eyes and through the edges of the fingernails. best is to use a full face respirator and gloves.
good luck
steve

[Lee Bradley]

You should have and read the MSDS (material safety data sheet) for all products you use.

http://www.ceram-kote.com/products/ceram_kote_54_aviation/pdfs/CK-54_MSDS.pdf

It is very usefull to have the product data sheet also.

http://www.ceram-kote.com/products/ceram_kote_54_sst/pdfs/CeRam_Kote_54_SST_PDS1.pdf

[kyle4501]

Nick,

Do you mean "aspirator"?  "Full" and "partial" respirator doesn't seem to make sense to me.   Course, this would certainly not be the first time I wuz confuzed

John

Full, as in full face respirator . . . .

[JohnEd]

Kyle,

Very nice of you to answer my question.  Somewhere in my life as a  safety instructor while in the Air Force or during my Civ Ser career I have developed a "FIRM" knowledge that Respirator is a filter while  aspirator means "air supplied" as in SCBA or airline.  My "clear" understanding is obviously wrong.  I have read about aspirators till I'm blue and all I can come up with is that they generate  vac through a venturi effect for medical applications.  Not exactly close to the truth! At least not as far as my erroneous understanding went. It appears what I called an aspirator was what is called an "AIR SUPPLY RESPIRATOR" and those can be SCBA or a hose.  That would include a simple mask that covers the mouth and nose or a FULL FACE RESPIRATOR.....with an air supply.  If the poison you are exposed can be assimilated through the eyes, then you need full face. 

I think the issue was when a "full face respirator" was required and the answer was when the poisons could not be cleared from you air by chem and mechanical filtered respirators.  Isocynates and such! The answer was given as "then you need a full respirator".  That threw me because of my definitions.  The correct answer, I now think, would have been a "full face air supply respirator" or "air supply respirator".

Not trying to split hairs with this.  I think you can appreciate the impact of realizing that something you clearly KNOW  is very much wrong.  That is why it caught me.

Thank you again,

John

[Lee Bradley]

      “It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.”
 Mark Twain quote
 
Mr. Twain had a pretty good handle on life.

[JohnEd]

Lee,

Did you read "letters from the Earth" by Twain?  It was difficult for me to locate and was in none of his collected works.  It clearly isn't blasphemous but lots of Fundamentalists didn't see it that way and it was supressed.  Really funny and so very very perceptive.

Thanks again,

John

[Lee Bradley]

John,
I have also 'Captain Stormfield's visit to Heaven'.

Lee

[rv_safetyman]

When it comes to urethane paints (or SilverBullet - don't ask ) I would never rely on a filter type mask.  Most rely on a charcoal filter and it gets contaminated if left open to the environment.  Once contaminated, it gives very little protection.  In addition, there is often leakage around the mask (especially if you have a beard).

You can make a pretty good fresh air mask system.  Get a medical oxygen mask like they use in the hospital, a good diaphragm compressor, a dedicated hose and a pressure regulator.  DO NOT try to use your piston compressor, as it puts out an oil mist that is also terrible on your lungs. 

Some will point out the the oxygen mask does not flood your eyes where your mucous membranes will pick up the toxic chemicals.  However, I really flood the mask and it flows fresh air over my eyes.  The hose is a pain, but I have been to the hospital once and very sick a couple more times and it is worth it. 

BTW anytime you try to weld galvanized metal, you will want to use this system as well.  The evaporated coating will make you wish you would die, if you get a good dose.

Jim

[JackConrad]

I have also heard of using a shop vac (placed outside the paint building) to provide a fresh air supply to a mask.  Jack

[Len Silva]

I am not up on painting safety but I do know a little about sandblasting.  If the paint catalysts are that hazardous then I would go for a full positive pressure rig like this:
http://www.andersonsalesinc.com/safety.html