2 strokes and Kalifornia

[JT4SC]

For those of us blessed/cursed enough to live in CA while owning a 2-stroke, how concerned are you about our coaches being legislated into obsolescence?
It also seems harder and harder to find a local brick and mortar store selling the oil needed for my bus nowadays.  Curious to see if I’m overreacting, or if this is something we all need to start preparing (selling?) for? 

[Utahclaimjumper]

 Nothing I see here keeps you from moving like so many others are..>>>Dan   ( That's what we did.!)

[dtcerrato]

Ditto!
Wheels man! Wheels!

[windtrader]

For those of us blessed/cursed enough to live in CA while owning a 2-stroke, how concerned are you about our coaches being legislated into obsolescence?
It also seems harder and harder to find a local brick and mortar store selling the oil needed for my bus nowadays.  Curious to see if I’m overreacting, or if this is something we all need to start preparing (selling?) for?

There is no pending governmental activity that I am aware of that affects our old 2 stroke buses and my take is if they haven't got us yet, nothing is going to change. Percentage wise, we are in the round off error.

Oil is no different than any part for an old bus in that you need to go to a specialty outfit to find them. Interestingly, straight 40wt is found on shelves in rural parts stores as there is plenty old farm equipment still running on this stuff.
 

[luvrbus]

I heard CA is requiring a"can cause cancer" label on the 2 strokes  Carb says you cannot have over 1 two stroke in your fleet I read,CARB does have new rules for 2021 I haven't read those yet   

[Dave5Cs]

Oh Clifford stop it. I soon will not live there anymore, lol

California only cares if you are driving your car or Bus down the road and it excessively smokes they will give you a fix it ticket.

Most of these Bus Boards warnings you will notice are from people who never or no longer live here. LOL

[luvrbus]

Oh Clifford stop it. I soon will not live there anymore, lol

California only cares if you are driving your car or Bus down the road and it excessively smokes they will give you a fix it ticket.

Most of these Bus Boards warnings you will notice are from people who never or no longer live here. LOL

Like Motel 6 Dave the light is on for you guys,FWIW we have 2 counties in AZ that smog test the 2 strokes 

[Iceni John]

Like Motel 6 Dave the light is on for you guys,FWIW we have 2 counties in AZ that smog test the 2 strokes

Which counties are they?   After I retire this year, and hopefully also complete my bus, I'm giving serious thought to living in AZ, maybe in the Camp Verde area.

Last December when I renewed my bus registration I found there was a CARB hold on my registration, preventing AAA from renewing it as they've always done previously.   Fortunately there's still a legal go-around to get CARB-hold vehicles' registrations renewed, at least for now, so that's what I did.   I do however suspect that this loophole will disappear soon, hence my thoughts of moving out of CA before next December.

John 

[luvrbus]

Which counties are they?   After I retire this year, and hopefully also complete my bus, I'm giving serious thought to living in AZ, maybe in the Camp Verde area.

Last December when I renewed my bus registration I found there was a CARB hold on my registration, preventing AAA from renewing it as they've always done previously.   Fortunately there's still a legal go-around to get CARB-hold vehicles' registrations renewed, at least for now, so that's what I did.   I do however suspect that this loophole will disappear soon, hence my thoughts of moving out of CA before next December. 


Camp Verde is Yavapai you are good,Maricopa and Pinal require smog test they are mostly for revenue 2 strokes have to be in sad shape to fail

John

[richard5933]

Which counties are they?   After I retire this year, and hopefully also complete my bus, I'm giving serious thought to living in AZ, maybe in the Camp Verde area.

Last December when I renewed my bus registration I found there was a CARB hold on my registration, preventing AAA from renewing it as they've always done previously.   Fortunately there's still a legal go-around to get CARB-hold vehicles' registrations renewed, at least for now, so that's what I did.   I do however suspect that this loophole will disappear soon, hence my thoughts of moving out of CA before next December.

John

Is your bus registered as a motor home? Last time this conversation was had I remember RVs not being subject to CARB, so I'm wondering how you got caught up.

[JT4SC]

Nothing I see here keeps you from moving like so many others are..>>>Dan   ( That's what we did.!)

Family and my business keep me here.  Plus it’s the most beautiful state with the best weather and no bugs.  But we’ve got absolute wackos running the place.  It’s frustrating. 

[windtrader]

VERY odd a diesel bus registered as a "house car"/RV /motor home would get caught up with the standard CARB regulations. Here is the exemptions clause:

Who is excluded from the rule?
This regulation does not apply to: (1) Vehicles subject to the solid waste collection vehicle rule commencing with title 13, CCR, section 2021; (2) Vehicles On-road diesel-fueled heavy-duty vehicles over 14,000 pounds owned or operated by a municipality, as defined in title 13, section 2020(b), that comply with the Best Available Control Technology (BACT) requirements of title 13, CCR, section 2022.1(a)(1); (3) Vehicles subject to the fleet rule for public transit agencies commencing with title 13, CCR, section 2023; (4) Vehicles subject to the rule for mobile cargo
handling equipment at ports and intermodal rail yards commencing with title 13, CCR, section 2479; (5) Military tactical support vehicles, as described in title 13, CCR, section 1905; (6) Authorized emergency vehicles as described in California Vehicle Code (Veh. Code), section 165; (7) Off-road vehicles equipped with engines subject to title 13, CCR, sections 2401, 2411, 2421, 2432, and 2449; ( Dedicated snow-removal vehicles as defined in section 2025(d)(18)(15); (9) Historic vehicles as defined in section 2025(d)(41)(36); (10) Motor homes for noncommercial
private use; (11) Except as specified in section 2025(l) vehicles subject to the regulation for drayage trucks commencing with title 13, CCR, section 2027 until January 1, 2023; (12) Trucks with a GVWR of 19,500 lbs or less with pick-up beds used exclusively for personal use, non-commercial, or non-governmental use; and (13) Except for two-engine sweepers, other two-engine on-road vehicles that are subject to title 13, CCR, section 2449, including but not limited to, water well drilling rigs, workover rigs, and cranes, in which one engine provides the motive power for the vehicle and a second engine is an auxiliary engine 50 horsepower or greater that is
integrated into the design of the vehicle and provides power for the vehicle to perform a specialized function.

[buswarrior]

This topic is one of many reasons that one should belong to an association that stays on top of developments, and intervenes in the planning stages. It is too late, by the time the stuff gets written.

Problem is, what is that association that is staying on top of this, for campers, in California?

Advertising revenue from new vehicle manufacturers drives legislative agendas...

Who is making it their business to watch out for busnuts?

Happy coaching!
Buswarrior

[richard5933]

At one time FMCA had a strong lobby effort, not sure if that is true any longer. They do list a Governmental and Legislative Affairs committee in their published information, so I assume something is going on in that regard. At one time bus conversions were a much larger share of the membership, especially in the early days.

You can find who's lobbying in California here: http://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/lobbying/ but it's not that easy to find out what/who they are lobbying on behalf of. I did not see any entries that were easily identifiable as working on something related to our concerns.

[luvrbus]

CARB changes rules and don't even have the published changes for several years ,we have old buses park in storage yard here in the Valley from people that live in CA ,a friend of mine in the wrecking business in CA when he get a 2 stroke in he has to destroy the block.it's only a matter of time before the 2010 engine rule hits the RV's.
It's not just CA I am working on my last year of a contract for a cell carrier and they are replacing all the 2 stroke powered generators in Texas the oil field has already changed not many 2 strokes left there either,the largest customer for the DD 2 strokes is already gone the US Military and DD and the new owners 2021 is the last year for parts some DD dealers have already stopped the support ,we were told 15 years ago the end was coming and I ignored it too