CARB

[dtcerrato]

Like lots of other places we've been in earlier times - enjoyed it and don't need to return. Heck seven years of my carpenters pension benefits come out of CA - from one end to the other. It was one of the greatest places I'd ever been. Unfortunately ever since the bus trips to AK - we feel that way about a lot of awesome places including some of the finest National Parks - just too many people anymore. Love it when we're north of the 1/2way point of Canada. Lots of space, very few people & very few regulation. That's our story & we're stickin' toit... Carry on.

[muldoonman]

Gonna be a lot of Tiny Homes on the market.

[lvmci]

"... the National Association of RV parks and campgrounds, the camp cal now RV Park and Campground Alliance successfully lobbied the California air resources board to amend a regulatory proposal that would have required out-of-state diesel motorhome owners to get a smog check done within 3 days of arriving in California..."

[windtrader]

I misread the post. It appears that the regulation has now added RV motorhome onto the exclusion list. If so, all you wanting to drive your bus here are free from one more regulation.

[luvrbus]

CARB hasn't been all bad for CA at least the air is clean and you can see the mountains.Carb changes the rules everyday just don't go into CA with a smoking engine they can and do issues tickets.My friend George has a 4106 with big injectors and no throttle delay he stops here when going to visit his kids in CA,I close the air gap on his governor every year for him and it makes a dog out of the engine but he doesn't smoke and doesn't get the fix/repair tickets,CA 2 strokes engines specs are in a different world than the rest of the states     

[Tedsoldbus]

Don't quit Fred!
Combat the geniuses in California by doing something rebellious! Join me at Mansfield Ohio for 3 days end of August and visit with about 40 Flxible owners and watch the parade! Bound to be a few clouds of diesel smoke to inhale there!  I'm taking my 1980 no DEF Prevost there with my 90 year old Father in Law (FMCA life member 4125), and there won't be a California emission Nazi within 1000 miles. I'll be in spot 41 at the campground.
Ted

[freds]

Don't quit Fred!
Combat the geniuses in California by doing something rebellious! Join me at Mansfield Ohio for 3 days end of August and visit with about 40 Flxible owners and watch the parade! Bound to be a few clouds of diesel smoke to inhale there!  I'm taking my 1980 no DEF Prevost there with my 90 year old Father in Law (FMCA life member 4125), and there won't be a California emission Nazi within 1000 miles. I'll be in spot 41 at the campground.
Ted

Temping, PM me details...

[Bearmtnmartin]

How does California treat repowers? My bus came with a 3208 but it has an ISM now with a data port. Are they smart enough to know to look for it, or would I just play dumb?

[Tedsoldbus]

Dear Freds and others maybe interested:
Brian Santin . briansantin@gmail and 614-571-8092 is host of Loudonville Flx meet/parade. He can tell you how to register for the show and has flyer on events.
Best place to stay is mohicanadventures.com campsite, about 2 miles from town. Brian reserved spots but you have to call the place to get the discount. I am staying 3 nights and it is only $105 with tax thanks to Brian. But you have to call and tell them you are BCM member. Number is 419-994-2267. There are enough people bringing cars that I am not towing anything. Two have volunteered to get me/ father inlaw with scooter to the parade. You should come Freds! Gary will be there. You can renew your BCM membership!!
hope to see you there.

[windtrader]

Following is the correspondence with CARB about the RV exemption on this new rule.

From: "xxxx@ARB" <kxxx.yyy@arb.ca.gov>
Subject: Re: Heavy-Duty Inspection and Maintenance Program
Date: June 4, 2021 at 9:36:50 AM PDT
To: Don@xxx

Hi Don:  Thank you for reaching out to us.  You are correct that the Senate Bill 210 did not explicitly exempt diesel motorhomes from the heavy-duty vehicle inspection and maintenance program requirements.  However, CARB is proposing to exclude out-of-state motorhomes (non-gasoline vehicles over 14,000 lbs. gross vehicle weight rating; Class C) in our current draft of the regulatory language.  Motorhomes registered in California would still be required to undergo annual testing.  We have spoken to others in the RV industry who have presented the same concerns as you and we are trying to accommodate that. 

Our formal proposal is scheduled to be considered by our Board at a December 9-10 Board hearing.  If approved, the heavy-duty vehicle inspection and maintenance program would phase-in starting in 2023, with the requirements for periodic testing expected to begin in 2024.

If you are interested in more information on the Senate Bill 210 Heavy-Duty Vehicle and Inspection and Maintenance Program, please see the HD I/M webpage at:  https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/heavy-duty-inspection-and-maintenance-program.  From this page, you can also subscribe to get email updates on our public meetings and when we release new information regarding the program.

Best Regards,
xxx yyy

Heavy-Duty Inspection and Maintenance Program | California Air Resources Board
Senate Bill (SB) 210 (Leyva; Chapter 298, Statutes of 2019) was signed into law by Governor Newsom on September 20, 2019, and directs CARB to develop and implement a comprehensive heavy-duty vehicle inspection and maintenance (HD I/M) program in consultation with the Department of Motor Vehicles and the Bureau of Automotive Repair. The full text of SB 210 is available from the California ...
ww2.arb.ca.gov

From: Don xxxx
Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 9:58 PM
To:  <kxxx.yyy@arb.ca.gov>
Subject: Heavy-Duty Inspection and Maintenance Program

Hello,

I’ve come to learn about SB 210 2019 and implementing out of state testing for diesel vehicles over 14k pounds. RV diesel pushers were not shown explicitly in the exclusion list. Please consider enduring these are added to the exclusion list as California has always been a vacation destination and making a visitor entering the state to get a smog check seems uncalled for. There are plenty of other rules that will ensure that vehicles staying for any length of time in the state would need to go through the long established DMV regulations. There is no need to discourage visitors to the state nor subject them to unnecessary regulations when they are here for a brief time.

thank you
don xxx

[windtrader]

How does California treat repowers? My bus came with a 3208 but it has an ISM now with a data port. Are they smart enough to know to look for it, or would I just play dumb?

I'm no expert but I suspect much will hinge on how it is titled. If it is titled as a RV "house car" and it is pre 1990? then you'll probably get a pass.


I know for fact that the older 2 stroke buses that are converted and registered as a RV/house car in CA are exempt from all smog requirements.


Whatever the case, get your ducks lined up before heading to the DMV. If you are going to title in CA, the DMV will do a vehicle inspection. I have heard that CHP can do this too but mine was verified at the DMV. Also, I had a title and was doing a retitle to CA so might have skipped a couple steps. Good luck.

[Dave5Cs]

It said they would exempt class C RV's but most Bus Conversions are class A diesel pushers so that make more problems. FMCA and Escapees more than likely will get into this one and the politics of it to try and throw their weight into it too.

[buswarrior]

Again, note that the beauracrats tried to include everything from the start, as they have done before, and as they will again.

Which camper group do you support with membership money? And are they leading the fight, or waiting for things to go wrong?

The war of attrition, fewer members of the camping groups, less money for qualified observers and advocates, more focus on just keeping membership, and none on political activism...

Sound familiar?

DEMAND your camping membership funds political observation and lobbying for camping issues, or take your money elsewhere...?

Happy coaching!
Buswarrior

[richard5933]

Hopefully the wording is an error since other than super C rigs most class C are gasoline powered.

Also, I'm wondering if there is actually anything on a vehicle registration which states which class motor home it is? Mine just says 'motor home'. The terms class A, B, or C are more marketing terms than legal terms since there is not to my knowledge a legal distinction between them.

[windtrader]

Well, the wording might be a bit unclear but remember to consider this whole issue is very specific about vehicles weighing more than 14,000 lbs. and diesel


quote direct " Heavy-duty diesel vehicles (14,000+ lbs.) are major contributors to California’s air quality challenges."


BW talks about political watchdogging and some RV special interest group is watching and the exemption has been recognized they are not looking to go after the handful of OLD RV diesel vehicles.


One could argue that over time these same groups might watch and care less about us old 2-stroke conversions but my guess they will address all related issues that come up, no matter how old the RV. It'd be in their best interest to keep a wide net cast and scoop all that gets caught as it shows they are doing the work of the folks who pay to keep them fed.