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Re: Electric or Propane for your Appliances in Next Bus
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2023, 09:37:51 AM »
FYI Clifford. Qualty panels have a lifespan far greater than 7 years. Maybe he was talking about the increase in capacity and tech or possibly the efficiency loss over time. Could be a typical govt. worker who doesn't like having to do more work because more solar going on roofs. Unless he had specific expertise in solar, then why take what he says for anything other than gibberish?
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« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2023, 10:04:42 AM »
FYI Clifford. Qualty panels have a lifespan far greater than 7 years. Maybe he was talking about the increase in capacity and tech or possibly the efficiency loss over time. Could be a typical govt. worker who doesn't like having to do more work because more solar going on roofs. Unless he had specific expertise in solar, then why take what he says for anything other than gibberish?


I don't know much about solar but why are they always changing the panels on solar farms around here and Vegas ?,those panels and controllers are always for sale at great prices like 75 bucks for panels and 75 for a controller, we bought some for my daughters RV,Gary Hatt took her to buy the stuff,would those farms use cheap panels.?  Az PUC lets a power co charge a monthly fee if you have Solar and tied into the power grid sorta dumb IMO   
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Re: Electric or Propane for your Appliances in Next Bus
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2023, 10:28:18 AM »
Even with all the freebies the State of AZ was offering the Solar is not free you spend a lot of up front cash,they offer you a tax rebate for xxx number of dollars on each year,the guy was just telling me the ins and out he was here to approve which he did or disapprove my application. 
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Re: Electric or Propane for your Appliances in Next Bus
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2023, 12:24:31 PM »
Jim how do you get diesel delivered to the bus in an rv park.

Dave, I don't know why it would be any harder than a residential delivery. It's not like the delivery trucks are big or anything, about the same size as a propane delivery truck actually. Much smaller than a lot of RVs. I get both delivered at my house. Propane for the shop (100gal tank and they will top it off. Prefer to in fact.) and diesel for the mower (100 gal tank and I fill it when it runs dry or is about to.) I buy the red fuel but they carry the yellow on the same truck. So I can't imagine they wouldn't want to sell it. Probably would have more to do with the travel distance than anything else but if you will buy I expect they will fly. Just might be a surcharge for a long trip.

One winter in Toledo I rented a 100lb bottle and had the local propane service swap them out as needed in the trailer park I camped out in. They would just bring around a truck with a lift gate. They would have left me two bottles if I had wanted them, or a 100gal tank. Made no difference to them. I went through 2 or 3 bottles while I was up there. It was a small camper trailer. Had to mount a fan on the propane furnace to get enough heat out of it to keep warm. Forced air sure does raise the efficiency.

I've got no complaints about solar, I think it's a great idea and eventually it will be affordable by the average Joe. Might even become the de-facto standard. But we aren't there yet. I am glad some of you can afford it because we need sales to push development and bring the price down so the rest of us can afford it. But as far as I am concerned, for RVs the name of the game is redundancy. If every other option fails I want to still be able to go outside and build a campfire to keep warm and cook. But I put that way down the list, and every option comes with a cost. Propane is one of if not THE lowest cost option. A basic portable bottle and Coleman cook stove can do the job of letting you cook and stay warm. May not be the safest, but when the chips are down you will use it. From there you rise in sophistication and cost. At some point you will find your balance point. A different one for everyone. To me that means that propane is the basic ingredient in the RV power formula. If you are well heeled enough to avoid the lower cost options and ignore the benefits of redundancy then congratulations to you, you have made it to the top, or near enough to be content. The rest of us will continue to plug away like we always have.

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Re: Electric or Propane for your Appliances in Next Bus
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2023, 06:48:35 PM »
I have (3) 30lb tanks of propane for the dryer, stove and on demand water heater.
Two of them are always on. The third is there to keep things going while refilling the others.

Refrigerator, coffee maker, toaster and mixers are all electric. If I could get a propane coffee maker I would. I really like my coffee hot.

I have 412 Ah of battery and 1200 watts of solar. I haven't installed the solar panels yet. But when I do, I plan to simulate boon docking.

I have a wood stove for the bus that saved my butt during the build. I don't have to rely on propane or electric in a pinch.

The stove burns coal and wood. I can carry quite a bit of wood in the spare tire compartment and coal in the mechanical bay.

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Re: Electric or Propane for your Appliances in Next Bus
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2023, 08:18:12 PM »
Dave, I don't know why it would be any harder than a residential delivery. It's not like the delivery trucks are big or anything, about the same size as a propane delivery truck actually. Much smaller than a lot of RVs. I get both delivered at my house. Propane for the shop (100gal tank and they will top it off. Prefer to in fact.) and diesel for the mower (100 gal tank and I fill it when it runs dry or is about to.) I buy the red fuel but they carry the yellow on the same truck. So I can't imagine they wouldn't want to sell it. Probably would have more to do with the travel distance than anything else but if you will buy I expect they will fly. Just might be a surcharge for a long trip.

One winter in Toledo I rented a 100lb bottle and had the local propane service swap them out as needed in the trailer park I camped out in. They would just bring around a truck with a lift gate. They would have left me two bottles if I had wanted them, or a 100gal tank. Made no difference to them. I went through 2 or 3 bottles while I was up there. It was a small camper trailer. Had to mount a fan on the propane furnace to get enough heat out of it to keep warm. Forced air sure does raise the efficiency.

I've got no complaints about solar, I think it's a great idea and eventually it will be affordable by the average Joe. Might even become the de-facto standard. But we aren't there yet. I am glad some of you can afford it because we need sales to push development and bring the price down so the rest of us can afford it. But as far as I am concerned, for RVs the name of the game is redundancy. If every other option fails I want to still be able to go outside and build a campfire to keep warm and cook. But I put that way down the list, and every option comes with a cost. Propane is one of if not THE lowest cost option. A basic portable bottle and Coleman cook stove can do the job of letting you cook and stay warm. May not be the safest, but when the chips are down you will use it. From there you rise in sophistication and cost. At some point you will find your balance point. A different one for everyone. To me that means that propane is the basic ingredient in the RV power formula. If you are well heeled enough to avoid the lower cost options and ignore the benefits of redundancy then congratulations to you, you have made it to the top, or near enough to be content. The rest of us will continue to plug away like we always have.

Jim
I love redundancy. I have a Chinese diesel heater (not finished hooking it up), a 35k btu LP furnace, and the mini split (heat and AC). For electric, I have shore power or the super cool battery/solar system; for water, I can hook up to a water system, or the water tank and 12v pump; for sewer, I have a holding tank, or I can connect to a sewer. I would love to install an additional water heater too someday, besides the LP one. One of those 12v ice chests might be nice too in case the refrigerator goes out. Redundancy can be your friend, but I admit it can be costly too!

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Re: Electric or Propane for your Appliances in Next Bus
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2023, 09:48:49 PM »
Since my ultimate goal is chasing 70 degree weather around the country and going heavy in on solar I went pure electric on my bus.

Well, here is the route to do that.  Maye start up a convoy?   ;D
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-20/a-13-235-mile-road-trip-for-70-degree-weather
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« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2023, 09:57:53 PM »
For lookers and buyers that want total electric buses I see Ritche Bro has some electric powered transit buses up for auction. I wonder how you could charge one if used it for RVing

Be pretty easy to do Cliff as you could charge it all night in the RV park. if you had a good diesel generator on board you can limp it to the next RV park if necessary.  How big are the Diesel Tanks on those Electric buses anyway? 

You may have to limit your travel days some but who wants to drive all day anymore anyway.  It sure would be a quiet rig with plenty of get-up-and-go.  :D
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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2023, 06:26:19 AM »
Someone with 40k laying around those could be fun to play with ,drive it from Texas to CA and you wouldn't have CARB to deal with in CA
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« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2023, 07:45:07 AM »
We ask around and most rv parks will not let you charge electric vehicles on the pole.
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« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2023, 08:05:29 AM »
We ask around and most rv parks will not let you charge electric vehicles on the pole.


Several of the RV parks here have Telsa charging stations you can charge for a extra fee
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Re: Electric or Propane for your Appliances in Next Bus
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2023, 09:03:29 AM »
I run the Starlink 24/7 and that gobbles up 2kw alone.

There's supposedly an option in the app where you can instruct the dish to go silent during the night.

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« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2023, 09:39:55 AM »
There's supposedly an option in the app where you can instruct the dish to go silent during the night.
I'm glad someone chimed it on that consumption! That dish would stay silent at that rate. But that's just me.
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« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2023, 12:08:24 PM »
Clifford,I haven't a clue what drives the upgrades of solar farm equipment. As allued to, there is surely some economic angle, incentives, tax credit swaps, accelerated depreciation schedules, etc. I'd stand on this line of reasoning  rather than equipment becoming inoperative. Like Gary mentions, you can get surplus panels all day long for dirt cheap. There is constant increase in performance so maybe being able to increase production per given space also factors in. For example, if you can double the electrical output per acre by swapping panels, maybe there is more profit, etc. One thing for certain, these large solar farm enterprises are not doing it to lose money or not maximizing overall profits.
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