Hydrogen retro fit and semi retro fit diesel motors

[windtrader]

I love these discussions. Hydrogen has been around as a niche for a long time. I did a short dive and found this https://h2fcp.org/stationmap
There are lots of places to fill up on hydrogen. Maybe California is further ahead of the fuel network but it might work for some. The home page shows a variety of hydrogen fuel cell cars that are available

[chessie4905]

guess I'm  skeptical. Remember how they praised nuclear power in the 50's? Then 3 mile Island, spent fuel rods, etc. I live about 100 bird fly miles from 3 mile island.

[freds]

Ok the electrical grid sort of reaches every where while hydrogen must be created for scratch by throwing money at it that won't be returned.

https://theconversation.com/hydrogen-cars-wont-overtake-electric-vehicles-because-theyre-hampered-by-the-laws-of-science-139899

Hydrogen depends of so many wrath it's that it you would be better betting you money both short and long term on the name of the racing horse... It it takes an act of congress to make it make sense, then it haves a basic life span of a bit less then two years. If you get 100% plus pay off in one year then go for it!!!

 

[lvmci]

Hydrogen Central

BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT
First Hydrogen Powered Truck in Texas Hits Houston Roads, Hyzon Truck
December 14, 2022
First hydrogen powered truck in Texas hits Houston roads, hyzon truck. Drivers will drive the Lone Star State’s inaugural hydrogen-powered freight truck route, delivering plastic resins from Mont Belvieu to the Port of Houston for Exxon Mobil as part of a two-week pilot.

The first time Rodrigo Peña climbed into the Hyzon truck’s cabin and eased his foot off the break, it wasn’t the awe of being inside the first hydrogen-powered freight truck to be operated in Texas that struck him.

It was the silence.

hydrogen h2-jobs
Rodrigo Peña, said:

I could hear rocks pinging off the gravel in the yard — I could hear people blocks away.

“It was like being in a huge golf cart.”

Peña and two other drivers for logistics company Talke will drive the Lone Star State’s inaugural hydrogen-powered freight truck route, delivering plastic resins from Mont Belvieu to the Port of Houston for Exxon Mobil as part of a two-week pilot.

While the pilot is temporary, civic and corporate leaders along the Ship Channel expect it to help jumpstart new investments and government incentives aimed at using hydrogen to help decarbonize the shipping and trucking sectors.

Five entities, including the University of Texas at Austin, Chevron, Air Liquide and the Center for Houston’s Future announced last month that they had applied to the U.S. Department of Energy to be designated as one of as many as 10 regional clean hydrogen hubs, a distinction that could bring the region a slice of $7 billion in federal funding for hydrogen projects.

Subsidies like that will be key to get hydrogen trucking off the ground, said Parker Meeks, president and interim CEO of Mendon, New York-based Hyzon Motors. He said the hydrogen hub funding would help on the fuel side, but it doesn’t include funding for the trucks.

That changed with the Inflation Reduction Act signed into law this year, which will pump $400 billion into clean energy funding, including funding to help lower emissions at ports.

Parker Meeks, president and interim CEO of Mendon, said:

This transition at the start is quite expensive, and if we put all that on operators it will take a long time.

“We don’t anticipate being on subsidy longer than we need to, but the IRA gives us that immediate opportunity. We always planned on getting a truck to Houston, and that time is now that we’re getting that subsidy money to Houston.”

Houston is already the largest producer of hydrogen in the country, used largely for refining and petrochemical processes. But the region, and much of the country outside of California, lacks the infrastructure to make it feasible for use in freight trucks or cargo ships.

Even the hydrogen used for the Port of Houston pilot projected was shipped from an Air Liquide facility in North Las Vegas, Nevada, even though an Air Liquide facility produces hydrogen just up the road in La Porte.

The Nevada facility is one of a handful of sites in the country that can liquify hydrogen, packaging it at a pressure of 7,500 pounds per square inch, said Laura Parkan, Air Liquide’s vice president of hydrogen energy for the Americas...

[Jim Blackwood]

Kinda puts me in mind of the old CCC in a way. Spending gobs of public money on questionable projects. In the end I expect it'll be OK but the country will never be the same again.

Jim

[lvmci]

Toyota announce GR Carrola H2
Hydrogen Combustion Development

(This year Toyota, through the Rookie Racing team, has participated in all Super Taikyu endurance races in Japan with a hydrogen combustion GR Corolla H2...)

...The hydrogen combustion engine design was chosen for a number of benefits it can provide.
Among the top advantages offered by H2 internal combustion engines (ICEs) is that they provide the capacity to leverage existing ICE technologies in addition to rapid refueling times and a notable decrease in the use and requirement for rare and expensive elements of which there is a limited supply, such as lithium and nickel (required for battery production). Adaptation of existing technologies and reaching further into existing investments gives H2 ICE tech the chance to provide a faster and more accessible carbon reduction solution, said Toyota.

(ICE...Internal Combustion Engine)

[windtrader]

If it takes an act of congress to make it make sense, then it has a basic life span of less than two years. If you get 100% plus pay off in one year then go for it!!!

That's a valid point and we all agree the government can be made to give money to business that makes no financial sense but sure does line the pockets of lobbyist and the special interest they represent.
I do agree hydrogen will remain a niche as it has for a couple decades, especially with EV turing the final turn to the home stretch
 

[luvrbus]

Why are there so many different colors of Hydrogen I cannot get my arms around it unless it has to do with process of making it ,We own property (10 miles away) in Texas close to a Hydrogen plant

[Dave5Cs]

Hey Don so you have all your money in EV stocks I take it as hard as you are pushing it.... LOL

[freds]

Why are there so many different colors of Hydrogen I cannot get my arms around it unless it has to do with process of making it ,We own property (10 miles away) in Texas close to a Hydrogen plant

Yes the colors have to do with the way they make it.

[chessie4905]

Sort of like cotton candy.

[luvrbus]

I am not worried about the options of fuel you have several now to choose from and more in planning stages, now prices will be another hurdle to clear a 100,000 bucks for a Telsa is out of the question for the average working family with mortgage payments and kids to raise, Inflation will drop sooner or later but prices are here to stay just like the Carter days and labor rates play catch up for years to come.Funny how DC says the rate for inflation is 8 % for Americans but they want a 20% pay raise and a 15% rental increase for their 2nd home lol and they will get it for setting on their @$# and doing nothing   
 

[windtrader]

Hey Don so you have all your money in EV stocks I take it as hard as you are pushing it.... LOL

how did you guess? With Elon melting down, Tesla stock is in a free fall. I just bought a million Friday. Going to get a brand new bus when it hits. lol

[windtrader]

just caught this on hydrogen in CA.California approves $2.9 billion investment to double car chargers in state | Fox Business
[/font] https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/california-approves-2-9-billion-investment-double-car-chargers-state
[/font]

[chessie4905]

  I read an article last week that a lot of liberal fans and funds dumping their stock over his takeover of Twitter and cleaning it up. Included comments of outraged owners that are now selling their Teslas and will never have anything to do with Musk anymore. A few called him a Maga cronies. Go figure.